Sewing machine choice (PICS)

Jul 21, 2013
333
Searching for 1st sailing boat 27-28, 34-36 Channel Islands, Marina Del Rey
I am looking at two of the following sewing machines for some small projects around the house, garments, kids backpacks, curtains and boat cushions.

Looking for opinions and suggestions on the use of these machines and the price.

Consew 7360r ($450) 2 years old. Single need straight stitch with clutch motor.


Pfaff 138 ($300) unknown age, straight and zigzag and fast motor.

 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
If I had to do it over again, I would look for a walking foot machine.

Still...I have a rebuilt Singer that is older than dirt. It runs good and it has a strong motor. It works great for canvas work.

Having zigzag is nice to have. Still, you will have issues sewing sail cloth if you don't have a walking foot. The feeders on a regular machine don't like to grab the sailcloth at all.
 
Jul 21, 2013
333
Searching for 1st sailing boat 27-28, 34-36 Channel Islands, Marina Del Rey
I don't think I will be doing any sail cloth with these machines anytime soon.

My intent is to do the items I mentioned above.
 

Sprega

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Sep 12, 2012
115
O,day 27 Brownsville Marina
Do you really need an industrial sewing machine? Also, for the money you are spending, you wouldn't have to ad much to get a nice sailrite machine or mayby an alfasew with a walking foot. Of the two you have pictures of, I would get the pfaff. Zig zag is really nice to have. Also consider a slant singer gear drive machine.
 
Jul 21, 2013
333
Searching for 1st sailing boat 27-28, 34-36 Channel Islands, Marina Del Rey
My first time considering a sewing machine, so I thought these two choices would be good for beginner and room to grow.
 
Aug 2, 2005
1,155
Pearson 33-2 & Typhoon 18 Seneca Lake
Hello Picflight,

Last winter in Florida we were planning to buy a used machine for Sunbrella projects like bimini, dodger, sailcover. We looked long and hard at a Phaff that a professional sewing machine operator/seamstress felt would be the perfect machine. She raved about the quality of the machine. However, something was wrong that neither she nor her son, the repair guru, could fix. That is always a concern with a used machine.

My wife decided on a new Sailrite machine that is only the straight stitch model. She loves it and has made interior cushions (2 sets), a bimini, has offered to do some repair for friends, and has stitched the Sunbrella on a jib of ours. It works its way through lots of material. The instruction video is a great help, and new equipment comes with a warranty. It was a bit pricey (sp?), but worth the money in our opinion. If we were to make the choice again I think we would have opted for the straight stitch/zig zag combination for the extra $100. BTW: Used Sailrite machines sometimes show up on ebay and other such sites.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
For the type of projects you are considering you will want the "nothing special" sewing machine. Go to JoAnn Fabric and check out the new machines. I think you can find a much newer model with quite a few extras for what you are considering now.
I have a Huscavarna and love it for sumbrella and sail cloth work. Can't do the 7 layer reinforcing work but I have a hand palm for that stuff.
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
We redid our bimini, all the enclosure and more with an old Kenmore.
Look for an oldy with metal gears. Much of the new cheap stuff has plastic gears. Zigzag seems to be an excellent option to have.
Eventually, we did buy the Sailrite zigzag machine.
When looking at it online I noticed the case it comes with was too big for our cabinet. They sold me the machine without case. I had to make a base for it to sit in. Used some nice oak and added handles then we sewed a sunbrella cover for it. Sailrire knocked off $100.
 
Jul 24, 2006
628
Legnos, Starwind, Regal Mystic 30 cutter, 22 trailer sailor, bow rider NEW PORT RICHEY, FL
been there done that

I was in the same place as you a few years back. Did research online, looked at ebay, and read all the info from web sites I could. I looked at a couple of used commercial machines and they were just too fast for me and seamed a bit complicated. I purchased a pfaff used from a nice little lady who had half a dozen machines. It never worked quite right so I took it to a sewing machine shop for repair and between the purchase price of $60 and the $70 repair price I thought i was good to go but the machine still wasn't right. I ended up buying a "reliable" zigzag walking foot machine online for $500 new and never looked back. It has served me well and it seams to get better and better the more I use it(or I do?). I keep it oiled up and change needles when I have problems and stitch away. I have heard that the "reliable" is maybe identical to the sailrite machines and that the parts are interchangeable but haven't needed parts or anything. I was thinking about the heavy flywheel add on but don't really need it. Just repaired a torn bimini and partially shreadded sail and it was great. Get a machine that can do most of what may need doing on a boat as you will soon wish you had.
side note: I tried the used auxillary outboard route before I wisenned up and bought new instead of buying someone else's nightmare.
 
Jul 21, 2013
333
Searching for 1st sailing boat 27-28, 34-36 Channel Islands, Marina Del Rey
Thank you for the great opinions, advise and experiences. Based on what I have read, I am now leaning towards a new Sailrite Utlra feed premium to get me started, I will learn as I go.

But I am also liking the Sailrite 111 with the SCR, not much price difference between the Ultrafeed Premium and 111 with SCR.
 

Tejas

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Dec 15, 2010
164
Beneteau First 36.7 Lake Travis
The Sailrite Ultrafeed Premium and the Sailrite 111 are quite different machines -- zig zag versus straight-stitch only, oscillating hook versus rotating hook, max V-92 versus max V-138 thread, and walking-foot versus compound walking-foot.

http://www.sailrite.com/PDF/Sailrite Sewing Machine Comparison Chart.pdf

Unless you really need zig zag, compound walking-foot is a huge advantage over walking-foot.

Compound walking-foot means the machine has both drop-feed (bottom-feed) and needle-feed (top-feed), with an alternating presser-foot (walking-foot). Walking-foot machines lack needle-feed. I could be wrong, but a rotating hook seems to have fewer stitch problems such as with Tenara.

Please forgive the tutorial if you already know.

Drop-feed is accomplished by a set serrated feed-dogs that grip the material between the feed-dog and the presser-foot. When the needle is lifted out of the fabric, the feed-dog raises out of slots in the base of the machine, and grips and moves the material. At the end of the movement, the feed-dogs drop and relinquish the grip.

Needle-feed is accomplished by moving the material with the needle when the needle is in the material as the needle follows essentially an elliptical path. Needle-feed also mitigates the tendency of lower layers of material to feed faster than upper layers with drop-feed machines.

The following links might be helpful. The YouTube video also shows the control possible with a servo motor and do click on "show more."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewing_machine#Feed_mechanisms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-QjJgJKKVM
 
Jul 21, 2013
333
Searching for 1st sailing boat 27-28, 34-36 Channel Islands, Marina Del Rey
@tejas, the tutorials are very welcome, thank you fit the details. As a beginner, I am trying to absorb as much as I can.
 
Jan 13, 2009
3
Tartan 37 Oriental, NC
After 30 years of sewing sails and canvas on my old White machine I finally wore out the bobbin mechanism - it won't stay synchronized. So, I bought a new machine. I wanted a Sailrite walking foot, but settled for a knock-off
www.allbrands.com/products/8533-family-sew-fs-288zz-portable-walking-foot-ss-and-z
It's not as nice as a Sailrite but it sure is a lot better than the White at sewing multiple (6 or 8) layers of canvas and webbing.
 
Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
I've had good luck with my old Singer Stylist 534. It was built back before the invent of plastic gears and is one tough machine.
I do wish it had a walking foot! I end up kind of pulling some materials though it when I'm trying to sew too many layers of what ever I put through it.
I mention the "what ever". We beat this machine! My wife sews about 15 sheets of paper together for little books. I sew marine vinyl, Velcro and sail cloth.
I wear safety glasses when I sew because I break a few needles each time.
I have $80 invested in it and that includes the $60 repair fee from when I tore the bobbin gears out of it.
The tent fly was my last project. Not my best work but it works.
 

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Nov 2, 2012
22
ODay 240 Lake Nockamixon
I bought a Sailrite Ultrafeed straight stitch LS-1 about 12-13 years ago. I sewed a few test pieces and felt that the straight stitch machine was a mistake, so I returned it and got a Sailrite LSZ-1 with the Zig-Zag stitch. It turned out to be a smart move.

Since then I have repaired several sails, made a few small ones for a kayak, made sunbrella covers for various parts on the boat and the back yard, sewed winter covers out of sunbrella for our backyard screen house, made multiple nylon rain covers for camping, and re-upholstered two couches and 8 chairs with this machine. I am sure that there are better machines out there[for a lot more money], but this one gets the job done. Get the zig-zag stitch machine!

We own several Bernina, Singer and Necchi sewing machines. They all do good work, but the Sailrite is for the heavy duty stuff. It is the only one with the top walking presser foot to pull the material from both the top and bottom.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Learning to sew with a sewing machine is a journey ...

For the projects you mentioned something like a regular domestic machine would suffice. I've got a few projects I'm working on right now with my wife's Husqvarna Viking 6440 machine, vintage circa around 1980 or so. This was the top-of-the-line machine with all kinds of cams for fancy stitches that are not needed.

There are a couple really nice things about this machine, though:
1) The frame is a one-piece SOLID STEEL casting. Read: it doesn't move and will take just about anything that will fit under the presser foot.

2) The Vikings have had a low-gear ~ 10:1 for years. There are some old green Viking/Husqvarna machines from probably the late '40s or early '50s that use the low gear and one of these machines would do everything you want on the projects mentioned. My guess is one could be had really cheap.

The Viking is a "low shank" machine and will take all kinds of foot accessories that will help with various projects. There are "walking foot" attachments available. I've got one but haven't used it yet.

One project I just finished was a vinyl cover for our Avon, something to keep the sun, bird poop, and prying eyes off of. Currently I'm working on some covers for the running lights as the plan is to buy new ones then keep them looking like new and avoid sun crazing. The free-arm will be really good for that because it helps to be able to maneuver the material around while sewing. A flat-bed machine not so.

I'm also using Tenara thread, too. This stuff is really hard to work with, almost like sewing with fine wire. Wire that can really cause problems.

As for Tejas (and others comments), I'd agree with them. If we had the room and some more projets I'd go out and buy something like the high end Sailrite as this seems up my alley. However, I'm not quite there yet.

If one is really going to get into this sewing "business" (it can be addictive), it would be good to have two machines like a commercial-type flat-bed and something like the Viking free-arm. Each has it's place.

Adjustment and tuning: It really helps to know how a sewing machine works, if nothing else but to know when it's the one not working right. I've just started working with the Tenara thread and it's a challenge. It's not for everybody. Many in the canvas business won't touch it and a large Seattle canvas wholesale supply company won't even sell it.

For doing interior projects with regular (non-Tenara) thread, an old green Viking should do well. They came with zig-zag, a 10:1 low gear and a low-shank for attachments. The foot attachments can make a big difference in how it sews. A zig-zag foot has a relief underside to let the thread pass. A low-shank walking-foot attachment won't be as robust as on a machine with it built-in because it's an add-on but it can help. If you find you like these projects and want to expand the difficulty range then add another machine to the tool kit. This doesn't have to be an either/or decision, but more like a this-and-that.

Caution: not all "Vikings" are built with the robust solid steel cast arm. If it doesn't look like the early green machine or the somewhat newer 6440 type (do a search), then it may or may not be. Other brands that made some good domestics in years past include Pfaff and Bernina.
 
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Tejas

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Dec 15, 2010
164
Beneteau First 36.7 Lake Travis
.... working with the Tenara thread and it's a challenge.
Problems with sewing Tenara can be mitigated by using Singer Multi-range (MR) needles and adding a bit of needle thread tension.

http://www.gore.com/fibers/english/tenara_a1d.html

I have had no problems sewing Tenara on my Juki 1508, use Singer MR needles for all canvas sewing, don't change needle-thread tension but do thread Tenara through every friction path.

According to posts on a forum used by professional marine canvas sewers, SolarFix, another PTFE thread, sews with fewer problems than Tenara.

A questionable observation from following several sewing forums is that oscillating-hook machines seem to have more problems with Tenara than rotary-hook machines.
 
Feb 22, 2004
222
Hunter H340 Michigan City
I bought the Sailrite LSZ-1 not sorry at all. It is a great machine the only issue I have had has been operator error.