Servicing Lewmar steering on newer Hunters

Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
As part of spring commissioning I was planning on servicing the Lewmar steering on our 2008 H27-3. I am also in the process of adding a new Raymarine chart plotter which ties together with the steering service as I need to pull the pedestal apart to run the wiring for the chart plotter. For those considering doing the steering service (or adding a plotter) I have a couple of tips to pass on that will help you get ready and save time in the long run.
First, the Lewmar instrument pod which came from the factory with the knot/depth/compass is assembled with special security fasteners. You can't take it apart with standard hex wrenches or bits and you need to in order to get to the wiring pass through down into the pedestal guard. The good news is that the security bits are readily available, I got mine on sale at Harbor Freight of $7. They look like standard hex bits with a hole in the center for this application. They fit in a standard driver but you will need a very short handle if your boat is equipped with the Lewmar throttle/shift assembly. That blocks one of the fasteners on the starboard side. Once you remove the fasteners the top of the pod comes off, the gasket will require a bit of force to break loose.
Second, that's when I discovered that you will also need to get to the fasteners holding the bottom of the pod in place as well, otherwise access to the steering gear and chain is blocked by the bottom of the pod. FYI, this pod is not completely sealed either, there are a couple of gaps by the pedestal guard. My pod was full of dead spiders and was obviously full of water up to the bottom of these gaps at one time. I'm working on sealing the gaps from the inside with silicone. Once you remove the bottom you can lube the chain/gear and check the cables.
Third, you will need to remove the deck panel to get to the cable and steering quadrant for inspection. On our boat that requires the removal of four Phillips head screws. Be prepared, this is one disgusting job. Between the dirt, spiders, webs and related droppings it is a task to clean up. I'll finish mine next weekend along with inspection, lubing the cables and quadrant and running the chart plotter wires forward to the DC panel and to the VHF radio. The plan is to link the chart plotter NEMA outputs to the VHF inputs and enable the DSC calling with the GPS coordinates supplied by the plotter. Just in case something happens to me, the admiral will be able lift the little red door on the radio and push the emergency button. That will broadcast our distress signal with the GPS coordinates automatically.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
2008 ????? Really chain and cables on a 2008 and have had 2 2001 up with rack and pinion steering,are you sure cables and chain.
Nick
 
Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
Yep. There is a bump out under the cockpit sole covered by a removeable section of decking. The cables go back from the pedestal to the steering quadrant. I'm no where near the boat or I would take a photo for you. I'm not sure what other years and models use this system.
 
Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
Been trying to find an exact photo or diagram on line with no luck. I believe the model is a "Constellation" but could not swear to that. I have not been able to find an exact match with the same pedestal guard and engine control.
 
Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
I finished running the wiring for the new chart plotter over the weekend, the run under that section of deck gave me the opportunity to finish cleaning out the spiders, nests, webs and droppings.....what a great time. I was also in contact with Lewmar trying to pin down the model of our steering pedestal. According to the Lewmar tech the pedestal and pedestal guard configuration looks like the current Classic Cobra but that is a rack and pinion. He thinks what we have may be a left over and could be the classic Constellation model which is wire/chain. He suggested I contact Hunter directly and find out what they installed. It's not that critical to me, at least at this point. The sheaves are lubed, the wire clamps were tight as was the rudder shaft quadrant so until we need spare arts we are good to go.
 
Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
The final chapter on my research is that what we have is actually a Whitlock leftover pedestal and guard from when Lewmar bought out the company. It has Lewmar labels but is an absolute exact version of a Whitlock setup I found on a 2004 H27-3. Lewmar must have converted the pedestal over to rack and pinion as part of their regular product line.

Seadaddler, nothing to say Nick?
 
Jun 25, 2005
72
Hunter 31 Carlyle IL
I getting ready to service the steering cables on my 2007 Hunter 31. Sounds like I have the same Cobra Whitlock/Lewmar steering setup. I had no problem getting to the rudder post quadrant under the cabin sole where the helmsman would stand (yes many critters). The cables were secure and no broken wires. I having trouble breaking loose the 4 hex type fasteners that attach the steering cover under the pedestal . I found a 9/16 six point allen wrench would fit but not enough torque in my old hand to budget the fasteners. Any ideas on how to loosen these stubborn fasteners? What did you use to lube the cables and the sheaves?
 
Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
Specifically, no. I have used (with great success) PB Blaster on other projects with stubborn bolts. The other thing I have used often are various sizes of cheater bars, usually a piece of pipe sized to go over a hex key or ratchet handle to give me some extra leverage. Those are my last resort though.

As far as lubing the sheaves and cables, I used a product available at the small ship store in the marina next door. It is made by CRC and is a dry lubricant that hopefully will not attract the dirt that finds its way under that piece of deck.
 
Jun 25, 2005
72
Hunter 31 Carlyle IL
Craig, I soaked the 4 studs under the pedestal with PC Blaster for sever hours but they would not budge with my 3/4 drive 12 inch handle. Just to be certain before I apply more torque with a bigger lever are these threads left turn (counter clockwise) to loosen and right (clockwise) to tighten? I do now want to break off a head by turning the wrong way. She has not had her spring wash down yet. Apologize for the filthy cockpit picture.
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Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
Jerry, if you can't break them loose after that much soaking I suspect they are good and corroded into place further down into the pedestal base then the PB Blaster can penetrate. You are correct, left should loosen BTW. Can you access the fasteners under the deck by removing that piece of decking? Sitting at my computer I can't recall what mine looked like. I'm going to make a big assumption that you have lock nuts and large fender washers below deck. If that is indeed the case and those hex head bolts are not threaded into some in the deck itself, give the nuts a shot of PB Blaster, let the sit a bit and get a socket on them. Even given the best circumstances it's always easier to back a nut off of a bolt than it is to hold the nut and try and turn the bolt. I would be very cautious, breaking the head off one of those hex bolts would be a bad thing to try and repair.
 
Jun 25, 2005
72
Hunter 31 Carlyle IL
Thanks, I'll see if I can access the bottom of the fasteners from the rear panel where the helmsman stands.
 
Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
ONE MORE THING.........SS hardware is finicky stuff to work with. Several years ago when installing new mast hardware I went through three sets of new SS bolts and locknuts. When tightening, the nut would just freeze on the bolt, each time I had to use two large cheater bars on my ratchet and wrench to snap the bolt and remove it. I went back to the shop where I bought the bolts and got a SS fastener lesson from the guy behind the counter. He said that you MUST lube SS fasteners when installing or removing, otherwise the threads will "micro weld" themselves together.
 
Jun 25, 2005
72
Hunter 31 Carlyle IL
As you suggested I was able to see the cable and turn buckle from the rear inspection cover where the emergency tiller is. Looks like the 4 torque fasteners just attach the pedestal to the deck. No need to go there. What material do you use to lube the steering able and drum.? Don't want to use grease and attract dirt and bugs.
 
Jun 25, 2005
72
Hunter 31 Carlyle IL
Disregard my previous post. I see that you already mentioned a CRC dry lube product. Thanks again.