Seaward 32RK (Raised Keel) - Keel winch upgrade

Jan 25, 2022
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Hake Seaward 32RK Port Kelley
I have a 2002 Hake Seaward 32RK and am looking to replace the keep winch and install a new remote switch in the cockpit to replace the original pull-strings. Appears that the original model (Rule T20S) has been discontinued. Does anyone out there have experience with replacing the Keel winch on a Hake Seaward 32RK?

Thanks in advance... Lindsay
 

Tedd

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Jul 25, 2013
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TES 246 Versus Bowser, BC
@lindsaytodd ,

I'm not lucky enough to have a 32RK (great boat, by the way). But eTrailers.com recommends the Hawse Fairlead - 2,500 as the replacement for that model, on a trailer. Might be worth looking at. Harbor Freight also has a good selection of winches.
 
Jan 25, 2022
5
Hake Seaward 32RK Port Kelley
Thanks Tedd, I will take a look at this one. I see it has the synthetic rope so I will need to check if it will run in the same pulley system for raising the
keel. Will also check the size as space is tight as you can see in the attached picture. I recently bought a Harbor Freight 2500 winch for raising the mast and it works great and comes with a wired remote and wireless remote. I've thought about using it but would rather find a "marine grade" unit. I'm also looking at a Marine grade Endurance EMD2000SS ($367 at Northern Tool). It looks good, but will need to purchase a separate remote system.

Sounds like I'm on the right trail... Many thanks for the suggestion!
 

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Jul 25, 2013
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TES 246 Versus Bowser, BC
Thanks for the photo and diagram of the winch system. I'm quite keen on the Seawards, especially the keel system, so it's nice to see some detail on how it works. The 26RK is on my short list. The only thing I'm not thrilled about is the interior space and headroom, which are just a bit less than I want. The 32RK would be perfect in that regard, but it's outside my price range and also a little too big, I think, for regular towing and launching.
 
Jan 25, 2022
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Hake Seaward 32RK Port Kelley
HI again Tedd, looks like you are between boats just now? What have you had? What are you looking for? I also see you are in Vancouver... I have not sailed in your area but have chartered many boats out of Anacortes up into the Gulf Islands and Sunshine Coast. It is beautiful up there! Maybe I can get back up there sometime if this Covid thing ever goes away.

I am fortunate to find a 32RK that I could afford. Some History: I purchased my first sailboat, a 1972 Catalina 27 in 1995, got 2-foot-itis and in 2003 moved up to a 1978 C&C 36KCB (Keel-Centerboard). Sailed it from Tacoma, WA down the coast and up the Columbia River thru 4 dams (9-day trip) to Port Kelley, WA. I put many $$$ into it over the first 10 years and got lots of enjoyment on her. Everytime she needed bottom paint and maintainance, it was a 4-5 day trip down to Portland, OR (each way). Last year she was needing more $$$ than I cared to put into her so I sold her cheap and started looking for a smaller boat, possibly trailerable, that is easier to handle solo. I have a friend that has a 1995 Seaward 25 that I was pretty impressed with, so started my research. I came to the same conclusions you did on interior size. It was going to be pretty hard downsizing from a 36' to 25'/26/ Seaward. Then I found there were two Seaward 32's on the market in the NW. I test sailed a 2013 Seaward 32RK in Seattle and was really impressed. It feels like it has the same room as my old C&C 36 (with less storage) and she handled really nice. I could handle all the sails myself from the cockpit. Only issue was price... So I drove to look at a 2002 Seaward 32RK in the middle of Farm country in Oregon. This boat was older, but has been stored in a shop since 2007, so she looks brand new... and was $50K less $$. So we made a deal and now she is at the boat yard getting prepped for this summer in the San Juan Islands.
 

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Tedd

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Jul 25, 2013
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Hi @lindsaytodd,

I started sailing a Bombardier 3.8 as a kid, self taught, and then a sailboard. But I didn't sail at all from my mid twenties until nearly sixty. Busy doing other things. In 2017 we bought a Macgregor 26S classic. I probably would have bought something a little bigger--maybe a Hunter 260--but my wife wasn't at all sure she was going to like sailing, so we bought something cheap that I could be happy sailing on my own if it turned out she didn't like it. As it turns out, she does like sailing, so w've sold the Mac and are looking for something more comfortable. I'm retired now so we can do some longer trips.

There are only two things keeping me out of a Seaward 32RK. One is price, but I could actually stretch to that price level if everything else was perfect. But I also feel that the 32RK is just a bit too big for the kind of trailer sailing we do. We keep the boat at home and tow and launch it every time we sail. We do generally go for multiple days at a time, so the time spend launching and rigging the boat is "amortized" over several days of sailing. But, even so, my sense is that the 32RK is just a bit too big and heavy for that kind of operation. And, as I said before, the 26RK is just a bit too small. Again, if it were just me, then the 26RK would be fine. But it feels a bit small inside for two people to spend, say, a couple of weeks on.

For a long time the boat at the top of my short list was the Hunter 260. But I've recently decided to up my budget so I'm now looking at some other boats that I had previously rejected as being too expensive. I'm looking very closely at a couple of models from TES, in Poland. TES has a Canadian distributor and I've talked to a couple of TES owners here who are very happy with their boats. TES makes a range of trailerable boats from about 24' up to 28' that are all cruising oriented, with galleys, heads (and marine toilets), good headroom (more than 5'8" even on the smallest boats), and European-style A-frame mast-raising systems. I still think the Hunter is a great boat but the TES boats have a couple of features I really like that the Hunter lacks, including "walk arounds," which I've decided is something I really want.

I was advised by the TES 28 owner I talked to that the 28 is probably too big for regular towing and launching. Not so much the boat itself, which he says launches fairly easily. But the mast is heavy enough that it's a chore to rig and stow, even with the excellent mast-raising system. But I'm looking very closely at the other models.
 
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Oct 15, 2006
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Seaward 32RK Lake Pleasent AZ
Hi @lindsaytodd,

I started sailing a Bombardier 3.8 as a kid, self taught, and then a sailboard. But I didn't sail at all from my mid twenties until nearly sixty. Busy doing other things. In 2017 we bought a Macgregor 26S classic. I probably would have bought something a little bigger--maybe a Hunter 260--but my wife wasn't at all sure she was going to like sailing, so we bought something cheap that I could be happy sailing on my own if it turned out she didn't like it. As it turns out, she does like sailing, so w've sold the Mac and are looking for something more comfortable. I'm retired now so we can do some longer trips.

There are only two things keeping me out of a Seaward 32RK. One is price, but I could actually stretch to that price level if everything else was perfect. But I also feel that the 32RK is just a bit too big for the kind of trailer sailing we do. We keep the boat at home and tow and launch it every time we sail. We do generally go for multiple days at a time, so the time spend launching and rigging the boat is "amortized" over several days of sailing. But, even so, my sense is that the 32RK is just a bit too big and heavy for that kind of operation. And, as I said before, the 26RK is just a bit too small. Again, if it were just me, then the 26RK would be fine. But it feels a bit small inside for two people to spend, say, a couple of weeks on.

For a long time the boat at the top of my short list was the Hunter 260. But I've recently decided to up my budget so I'm now looking at some other boats that I had previously rejected as being too expensive. I'm looking very closely at a couple of models from TES, in Poland. TES has a Canadian distributor and I've talked to a couple of TES owners here who are very happy with their boats. TES makes a range of trailerable boats from about 24' up to 28' that are all cruising oriented, with galleys, heads (and marine toilets), good headroom (more than 5'8" even on the smallest boats), and European-style A-frame mast-raising systems. I still think the Hunter is a great boat but the TES boats have a couple of features I really like that the Hunter lacks, including "walk arounds," which I've decided is something I really want.

I was advised by the TES 28 owner I talked to that the 28 is probably too big for regular towing and launching. Not so much the boat itself, which he says launches fairly easily. But the mast is heavy enough that it's a chore to rig and stow, even with the excellent mast-raising system. But I'm looking very closely at the other models.
Thanks Tedd, I will take a look at this one. I see it has the synthetic rope so I will need to check if it will run in the same pulley system for raising the
keel. Will also check the size as space is tight as you can see in the attached picture. I recently bought a Harbor Freight 2500 winch for raising the mast and it works great and comes with a wired remote and wireless remote. I've thought about using it but would rather find a "marine grade" unit. I'm also looking at a Marine grade Endurance EMD2000SS ($367 at Northern Tool). It looks good, but will need to purchase a separate remote system.

Sounds like I'm on the right trail... Many thanks for the suggestion!
It looks like it will do the job, the only thing is the rule unit uses a stainless drum so keep a coat of grease on it and it should be fine I had removed the 2 line up down as soon as I purchased our boat and put a solenoid & rocker switch on the helm.
 

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Jan 25, 2022
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Hake Seaward 32RK Port Kelley
Hey, thanks for the response. The new winch is getting installed with deck foot switches at the mast and a toggle switch at the helm. Also just found that the fuel tank had several minor leaks... ... so putting ordering a new tank. Even though this boat was stored inside most its life, condensate sat in the bottom of the tank and corroded the aluminum.

BTW... your 32RK looks beatiful!
 
Oct 15, 2006
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Seaward 32RK Lake Pleasent AZ
Thank you! Are you going to replace with the standard 20 gal tank or enlarge capacity? or a 2 cell system. I really wish we had a larger fuel cell so no on deck jerry cans are needed.
We have so many 32RK mods here and if you want we can share them with you. As ours is stored at our home so I'm tinkering with projects between trips.

Next project starting solar arch with davits & mast crutch support so we can remove the aft pole support..
You can contact any time as we 32RK owners need to collaborate.
Jeff
602-571-6750
 

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Jan 25, 2022
5
Hake Seaward 32RK Port Kelley
Thank you! Are you going to replace with the standard 20 gal tank or enlarge capacity? or a 2 cell system. I really wish we had a larger fuel cell so no on deck Jermyn cans are needed.
We have so many 32RK mods here and if you want we can share them with you. As ours is stored at our home so I'm tinkering with projects between trips.

Next project starting solar arch with davits & mast crutch support so we can remove the aft pole support..
You can contact any time as we 32RK owners need to collaborate.
Jeff
602-571-6750
Hey Jeff, looks like you ha e completed several projects on your 32RK. I just bought mine last August and have been working thru some updates/repairs. The fuel tank leak was a surprise. I am just replacing with same size tank. I sail mostly locally on the Columbia River but plan to get her up to the San Juan Islands this summer. But ther are many refuel spots in the islands.

I like the hinged doors. We looked at a 2013 RK that had the doors, prior to buying our 2002. Maybe a future project.... The dorade guards are a good idea. I have tied a line from the top of each Dorade up to the mast to prevent the jib sheets from catching on them. Seems to work, but not too classy. Did you custom order yours?

I would also like to see how your arch/davits turns out too.

Yes, it will be good to share projects and experiences...

Lindsay
 
Oct 15, 2006
7
Seaward 32RK Lake Pleasent AZ
We also have a plan to sail the San Jauns but in a few years, as we are getting prepared to cruise the Sea Of Cortes in October. We will look forward to hearing your story's.
I had the companion way doors as we have such extreme temp swing here in the desert and nates come summer so we go from screen to lexan.
As weather permits the doors lift off and store in the V-birth. we can still utilize the drop boards if needed.
The dorade guards we made here out of some scrap tubing given to us (buddies with lots of 316). We still need the bungee so the jib sheets don't get caught on the keel stem as we often sail with only 1/2 the keel in the water.
Enjoy you new to you craft!

Fair winds
Jeff

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