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Mar 28, 2007
211
Hunter 33' Cherubini Biloxi Back Bay,MS
I just couldn't stay away... and you guys have been on my mind all week long. Thank you for all of the support, info and push you have given me. I am truly truly grateful! Hubby sold her on me :(, but got his money back and she's going to someone that has the time and love to put into her. She is a great project boat and she taught me a few things and I enjoyed crawling around in her hull. Good news is that he is looking for another one to buy very soon and I have a few questions to keep me around a little bit ;). Can a sailboat come from cold waters say the Boston,MA area and down to mine(Gulf of Mexico) and what would my warm waters do to her? We are looking at 30 ' ....Catalina's, Hunter's, Erickson's,Endeavors and O'days. We are taking a trip to Pensacola, Fl to go hunting for one in the next two weeks. If anyonne knows of any there or around that area please give me heads up. Nice N Easy.. sorry you are going thru a rough patch. I only got a chance to read your post briefly. Warm Hello's to my other boys and hope everyonne is having a good Easter with yours.Off to my domestic duty to throw my ham in the oven. "B" ~ Seadance
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Seadance, Welcome back!!! ;D

The Chesapeake bay water gets up to the upper eighties by late august and down to 32 by mid winter and doesn't hurt the boats at all. The upper bay was ice covered for a while this winter. When you look at the boats, look at them with an eye for repairs and service. I have seen boats built such that you would have to take the furniture apart to change the belt on the engine. Can you gain easy access to all of the thru-hulls, where did they place the batteries, is there good storage below the waterline, unless you plan on taking a crowd sailing don't be impressed with "sleeps six". My boat sleeps two, feeds four and drinks six. and that is 30 feet. Again welcome back !
 

Ferg

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Mar 6, 2006
115
Catalina 27 C27 @Thunder Bay ON Ca.
Cold boats?

Here’s something to kick around. Boats that come from colder climates don’t spend as much time in the water. Overall, there’s less run time on motors, they’re out for a least a little bit of every season so the bottoms are more likely to get regular maintenance. Plus, while they’re waiting for ice out or warmer weather, a lot of “issues” get addressed and upgrades get done with more care due to the wait. My own ride spends about half the year asleep in her cradle. Outside of that, the usual stuff that Ross mentioned. Ferg
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Great fan of Catalina's

I am a great fan of Catalina's. I lioved aboard a Catalina 25 for a few years and sailed her all over the gulf of mexico. I then lived aboard a Catalina 30 for about 5 years and sailed her also all over the Gulf. Catalinas are fun boats to sail and very sea kindly. If you go on a the Catalina owners website, there are various ways to look uo previous owners and get a history of the boat. Some people are the 'fixer-upper' type, I'm not. I'd rather sail then work on the boat. Also , from experience, I learned that you can spend more money and time on fixer-uppers than you originally planned. The only foxer-uppers that I work on now, are for other people and at a fair rate. I dont consider cosmetic work as a fixer-upper. My personal attitude is that if I cant sail AND motor it the day I buy it, then I dont want it. Cosmetic work can take a back seat to sailing as far as I'm concerned. Living in Gulfport means you can sail all year. Whatever you buy, good luck. P.S. If you come across serial no 3380, thats my old one "Free Spirit" Tony B.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,204
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Rudders

...I think rudders can be a problem in freezing climates if they have had water enter the core. That's probably offset by less blistering because of drying out during storage. If masts are dropped, there may be better maintenance. Fresh water boats may be best of all. Having said that, good knowledgeable maintenance probably trumps everything else. Take your time and enjoy the search. All the boats you mention are good ones. I think it's important to set a budget that will allow you to add some things and update systems (like sails). Remember also not to be put off with things like old upholstery and cushions and canvas when you'll most likely want to replace it anyway. Just be sure the rest of the boat is solid. Good luck and welcome back to the forums. I've been hanging out here almost since Phil put it out there and it is generally helpful and focused. There are times you'd like to reach out and whack somone though, but they are the rare exceptions. Thanks for giving us all a second chance. Rick D.
 
Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Hi Seadance

Welcome back, missed what ever happened but like me granddaughters like to say - Whatever??? I need to get a longer painter on the dingy so I don't have to listen to their complaints... ;D just kidding - love them no matter what, so will you of this board. Been here longer that should be admitted... I think Ferg has the best idea on cold boats. I do most of my work when the boat is out of the water. Not everyone can do what we have done. We have had five boats everyone of them purchased NEW. She doesn't like the idea of fixer ups in boats which is out of character for her. It depends on your budget and what you want to do with the boat. Haven't been in Gulfport since forever, family lives in Pensacola... Jim S/V Java
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Boats from the north are no problem..

but trucking can get very expensive. If you're looking at the boats listed there should be plenty of those boats available down south. While the Ericson is arguably the best built of the boats you mentioned they too have some issues on certain models. Ericson used headliners on many models and they can become very moldy and smelly and are not an easy or cheap fix. The interior fit and finish on the Ericson's is also of top quality. The Catalina 30 has loads of room and there are plenty to choose from. They are still in business and are easy to get parts for too. The main thing to watch for on any boat is a wet deck. Wet decks are caused by lack of maintenance in terms of re-bedding deck hardware on a regular interval. Another issue on many boats is the keel smile or crack. Builders including Catalina, Hunter, Endeavor, Pearson and lots of others used marine plywood to build up the laminate structure of the keel stub. While this works fine for a few years, as the boat get older, water inevitably gets into the laminate, causes damage and allows keel flexing which leads to the "smile". This type of laminate schedule works well until an owner touches the bottom, the keel to hull joint is compromised, and water leaks into the plywood around the keel bolts. Once this keel stub is wet it begins to rot and, while very unlikely, it could lead to failure of the keel stub or in a worst case the total loss of the keel. Catalina stopped using plywood in the keel stubs in mid 1987 and the keel stubs are solid glass form mid 87 on. I don't know when other builders stopped or if they ever did because many of them are out of business now. Don't let this stop you from buying a boat unless the keel stub shows high moisture content upon a survey. If there is a brownish colored water leaking out of the "keel smile" walk away as this brownish "leak" is the result of severely rotted plywood! All the boats you mentioned would be a good start but please buy a good one. Project boats don't save money. Yes you can incrementally throw money at it paycheck to paycheck but in the long run a poorly maintained boat will cost loads more than a well maintained specimen. The upfront cost difference of perhaps 20% between a project and a sail away boat is well worth it! The Catalina 30 is perhaps the best boat to be a potential buyer of. Because there were so many made and there are so many individual levels of personal maintenance the buyer wins. An owner of a Catalina 30 who is anal retentive about maintenance and up keep still has to compete with the other 150 used Catalina 30's listed for sale. As a result you can find a very nicely maintained Catalina 30 for relatively short money. Above all else a good survey is usually FREE! I have never had a survey where the surveyor did not find something that could reduce the cost of the boat by at least the survey price but usually more. You can save money by starting with soundings and deck moisture first. Many surveyors will allow you to stop a survey of they find serious "walk away" moisture and will only charge you a portion. Be careful many surveyors save moisture readings for last so they get paid a full survey fee. Ask for the moisture readings and soundings first! In short buy maintenance & upkeep & NOT on price only!!! It would really help us, to help you, if we knew a rough budget? Ie: We can afford to pay X for the boat and will have X left over to sink into repairs and upgrades... I like to think of boats in terms of a cost/quality equation with three levels. These levels are my own feelings so don't start tearing me apart for my personal rational as the rule or "boat buying Bill of Rights"! This is a rough guide only and again my own personal view. By the way I categorize my own boat as Level 1 as I can have just as much fun for less money on a Catalina. Now if I was crossing oceans I be buying, at a minimum, a level 2 boat but thats not how I'm sailing right now so level 1 it is! Level 1 boats: High fun to cost ratio (lots of bang for the buck fine for coastal cruising and carib type sailing) Catalina Hunter Beneteau (First series border on level 2) Jenneau O'Day Endevour Irwin Pearson (some Pearson's can actually fall into level 2) & others Level 2 Boats: Medium fun to cost ratio (many of these can, with care, be used for ocean sailing) Tartan C&C (some of these could be level 1's most level 2's) Sabre Ericson (some of the Ericson's could actually be level 1) Hinterholler (Nonsuch & Niagra) Pacific Seacraft Cape Dory Bristol J Boats CS Yachts (Some for these can be level 1) Island Packet & Others Level 3 Boats: Ridiculous fun to $$ ratio Hinckley Morris Swan Halberg Rassey Shannon & Others
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Then there is the "sub-level" boat...

Like my Lancer! ;) But I'll put my Lancer up against any of the boats listed by Maine Sail. By the way, nice list there Maine Sail. Hey Seadance, welcome back. We missed you. Personally, I'd go for a Catalina 30 just for the reasons mentioned already. There are kagillions out there so parts are very easy to come by, plus you have another kagillion sailors who have done lots of DIY work. You really can't go wrong. I'd look for a mid-80s model. Yacht World have hundreds to look at. All up and down the east coast. Lots to choose. Good luck and let us know what you get.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,648
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Go Talk To My Broker Govert

At Mid South Sailing he will absolutly do you right. We was at Gulfport but is now out at Dog River in Mobile. I was looking for his website. Anyone know how Govert is doing?
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,648
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
I Found This

Mid-South Sailing and Charters Beachcomers Boat Yard, 6320 Dauphine Island Pkwy Mobile, AL 36605 Phone 228-863-6969 Fax 251-626-9585 MidSouthSailingH@aol.com www.midsouthsailing.com Contact Govert Van Vloten
 
Dec 9, 2005
164
Kirie Elite 37 Pascagoula, Mississippi
Seadance........

There is a 30 something footer in the Pascagoula Inner Harbor that may be for sale....I'm not sure of the particulars, however, the owner is living temporarily out of town and wants to sell it....if you are interested I can get the particulars next week....just let me know. The owner hasn't used it much at all....it may have a dinghy and outboard too. Dick 228-379-4748
 
Mar 3, 2007
139
Catalina 36 Lexington Mi
Sub Level???? NOT!

First..WELCOME BACK SEADANCE!!!! Glad to see that the ogars couldn't chase you away. For the most part we are a great bunch of people and friends albeit on the Internet. OK now this sub level thing or level two I think you called it. I do have to disagree with you putting my beloved C&C on the list. They are an extremely well built solid boat. Not only are her lines classic and gorgeous (my humility is hard to hide) and she is fast. As for what you can get for the price they are normally a bargain if you can find one because they sell pretty fast. Now I will admit that I got my boat very cheap and I have done a lot of work to her but 80% of it was cosmetic and the remainder was updating older systems. She is 36 years old so some updating was in order as with any boat of that age. I do think a lot of opinion is based on how much the individual is willing to spend for a boat. If you have $10000 for a boat you should look for all the boat you can get for the money and if it is $50,000 you plan to spend, well you are going to get more boat. One thing I will promise you is that sailboaters are very loyal to their boats
 
Sep 21, 2006
280
-Hunter 35.5 Washington, NC
Give NC a try

Seadance a lot of out of state folks are coming to NC to buy boats since there is no sales tax on used boats in the state. Lots of boats for sale around Oriental and Washington. Several good brokers in the area.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
William..

I never said any boats were sub level! To top it off I put the C&C's in the level two which means better built than level one's. Certainly you don't think a C&C is the quality of a Morris, Hinckley or Swan or deserving of a level three... I love my boat, and she serves her purpose well, to but I'm realistic about it that's why I put Catalina's into the level one category. Again nothing wrong with any level except for the cost when new and usually when used as the same size & year Sabre 34 is more money than the same size and year Catalina 34 but there is no doubt a Sabre 34 is better built than a Catalina 34 and I don;t think anyone would argue that point. For the typical coastal sailing that most Sabre owners do the Sabre is arguably over built, and you pay for that, while the Catalina is perfectly suited when factors such as cost and use are taken into account. Like my neighbor, a coastal cruiser only, always bemoans "I don't think I'm having 100k more fun in my Sabre than you and your wife do on your Catalina". That for me sums it up nicely..
 
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