Sanitation system issue

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Apr 28, 2007
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- - San Francisco East Bay
I own a pumpout service. Today, one of my clients called me to say that despite our bi-monthly service, her holding tank never seems to empty completely (her gauge never went below half full this week) and now when she flushes her head the bowl fills to the rim with water after the intial flush. Any suggestions as to what might be going on here would be appreciated. Thanks. Matt
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,939
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Matt, the symptoms sound like a plugged...

tank vent. That would be my first place to check. The link below describes our experience with a plugged tank vent and what I did about it. Terry
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,957
- - LIttle Rock
Terry's almost certainly got it right...

Blocked tank vent. The blockage may be in the vent thru-hull, or--especially if the tank is repeatedly overfilled--in the vent line connection to the tank, both the fitting and that end of the hose. A tank vent has two functions: 1. to provide an escape for air in the tank displaced by incoming tank contents, and 2. to provide a source of air to replace tank contents as they're pulled out. If the vent becomes blocked, flushing the toilet pressurizes it, creating back pressure that sends the waste back to the toilet. It also causes a pumpout or macerator pump to pull a vacuum after the small amount of air in the tank is exhausted, preventing anything more from being pulled out of the tank. If the deck pumpout fitting were opened while she's aboard and attempting to use the toilet against a blocked tank vent, there'd be a geyser out the deck fitting. But enough time is apparently elapsing between the time she leaves the boat and you come to pump it out for the pressure to escape via the toilet...lucky for you! Terry's article--except for the part about using a plunger (NEVER use a plunger in a marine toilet...the down-stroke won't hurt anything, but the up-stroke will mess up the seals, o-rings and valves in the pump)--provides all the instruction needed to clear the vent and then maintain it to keep it clear. Continuing to flush a toilet against a blocked vent can result in an eruption in the toilet or even a cracked tank. Strong suction against a blocked vent can implode the tank. So don't try to pump out the tank again until the vent has been cleared, and also instruct your client NOT to use the toilet again until it has been cleared. You might also want to check out the link below and suggest that she get a copy to learn how to operate and maintain her toilet tank properly.
 
Apr 28, 2007
5
- - San Francisco East Bay
Thanks, Terry & Peggy

I spoke with my client and related what you both have posted here. I also sent her a list of local repair services that she can use, 'cause I'll pump the system out, but I ain't gonna get on my hands and knees and tear it apart! ;-) Matt
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,957
- - LIttle Rock
It's a job she SHOULD be able to do herself

Anyone who has to pay somebody just to stand on the dock or (depending upon where it is) squat on the deck and scrape out a vent thru-hull fitting with a screw driver blade had better learn how to operate and maintain her toilet and tank to prevent the need for most repairs...'cuz 99% of repairs are the result of owner neglect or mis-use due to ignorance that the system requires any maintenance. I can appreciate your unwillingness to work on it...but it would be a good idea for you to keep an eye on vent thru-hulls when you service the boats and, if necessary, either scrape out any blockages or notify the owner that the system appears to need attention...especially if you notice that you seem to be pumping out a lot less than usual. Far better to do that than be blamed for an imploded tank.
 
Apr 28, 2007
5
- - San Francisco East Bay
We did check the vent

We did check the vent fitting on the hull when symptoms of a problem first appeared. It is one of those with a screen in it that precluded us from getting any implement up inside. This woman lives aboard and fills her holding tank quite full on a regular basis. I suspect she has overfilled it and clogged the inboard end of the vent line. Thanks again for your help. BTW, one of the first things I did when I started this business was to buy your book. Matt
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,957
- - LIttle Rock
Get rid of the screen....

It's not necessary except on fuel tank vent thru-hulls as a spark arrester. In holding tank vent thru-hulls it causes more problems than it solves 'cuz it gets clogged up with rust, dust and pollen...it's most likely a major part of her problem. So knock it out, then put a hose nozzle up against the thru-hull and see if you can flush out any other blockage with high pressure water...you can even use a power washer (but NOT a commercial pressure washer!) if you're careful. If she's lucky, she won't have to remove the other end of the vent line from the tank to scrape it out. Once the screen is out, it should be a simple matter to backflush the vent every time she washes the boat...unless you can do it when you pump out. Thanks for buying my book! I hope you've found it useful.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,939
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Peggie, I've decided to leave the tank vent through hull screen...

rather than remove it. I know that it is there and if anything it will help to keep foreign objects from entering the venting system. I do check the system under moderate water pressure after every pump out and after six years of trouble free operation, the procedure (see link) I've been using seems to work. Terry
 
Mar 1, 2004
351
Catalina 387 Cedar Mills-Lake Texhoma
It justs gives

the spiders a place to build their nests. Plus the fumes will eventually eat it up, be it aluminum or SS.
 
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