Sailing Tender

Apr 25, 2024
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Fuji 32 Bellingham
Recent discussions on another thread got me thinking about revisiting my tender situation, this year. For most of our sailing in the past 10 years, we have carried a pair of inflatable kayaks. They stow below, when not in use, and inflate in a few minutes when we get to anchor. Occasionally, we will leave them inflated and tow or stow on deck, if we expect to stop again soon. Otherwise, we just inflate/deflate at every stop.

That's frankly OK, and we like having little kayaks to tool around in. My dog sort of sits between my legs and helps by leaning over one side to ensure the kayak is not too balanced. The big advantage is that we have two little kayaks, so we have a little more freedom.

But ... we would REALLY like to have a little sailing dinghy to give us a little more range. Of course, being a tender, it also needs to row. We explicitly don't want a motor, so that makes that easy.

The problem we have is that we are really limited by what we are willing to lug around. We don't like to tow, if we don't have to, but even if we were open to that, it that comes with its own set of problems at marinas - and we stop at marinas as often as anywhere else. We do have davit mounts. And I think that is probably the least objectionable route for us. But, we are about 6' across at the stern and about 10' beam amidships. So, that limits length a bit, for a sailing dinghy.

I am trying to figure out the best compromise, for us. Goals are:
- lightweight if we are going to hang from a davit, less of an issue if towed
- would rather not tow
- maybe 8' long (ideally, fits in a shoe box, but I think we'll have to compromise on that)
- sail and row, but we don't really care about performance with either
- something approaching or exceeding 400lb capacity while sailing

I'm kind of interested in making my own, if that turns out to be my best option. I am not excited about the project, but am willing and able.

Kind of like the idea of this: Fast-sailing, Ultra-light Take-Apart Dinghy That You Can Build!
... or something like that. Not ideal, but might be the most feasible way to get everything I want.

Ideas?
 
Jan 12, 2025
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Oday 22 Lake Hickory NC
I would look at the Walker Bay 8 foot dinghy. With the sailing kit, you get the option of sailing or rowing. I think the weight is just under 100 pounds. And I think the capacity is 400 lbs. I'll double check that.
 
Sep 24, 2018
3,287
Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
A trolling motor might also suit you well. You can shorten the shaft for easy storage and you don't need a full sized lead acid battery. I use smaller gel cells.

Have you thought about mast and boom storage for a sailing dinghy?
 
May 17, 2004
5,553
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Maybe a Dyer Midget (8’) or Dyer Dhow (9’)? I think the midget has a capacity of 390 and the dhow of 650. The Midget weighs 83 lbs and the Dhow 106. I have a Dhow and it sails, rows, and tows quite nicely.

Having said that as much as I love my Dhow as a toy to sail around in if I needed a practical tender I’d stick with my inflatable Achilles. The Dhow is serviceable with two people but getting in and out of the inflatable and carrying things is so much easier than the hard bottom, even with the Dhow’s hard chines.
 
May 17, 2004
5,553
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Have you thought about mast and boom storage for a sailing dinghy?
This is a good point. The spar sections and oars for the Dyer Dhow, for example, are 7 feet each. That’s just a little too long to fit in my lazarette. I don’t want the extra weight in the dinghy when I tow it so I store them on deck secured to the lifeline stanchions. On davits it’s probably easier to just keep everything in the dinghy.
 
May 29, 2018
566
Canel 25 foot Shiogama, japan
Sailing tenders are great. An extra bonus if it is a good rower. Rowing is great exercise!!
However, the reason that a lot of people go for inflatables is the amount of room that a hard tender takes up.
The one that Foswick has linked to is not a true nesting dinghy. The two halves do not nest completely.
The other problem is storage. A sailing dinghy has the extra gear that has to be stowed, mast, sail ,centerboard and rudder. These things all take up space.
I doubt that a dinghy could be mounted under the boom on a Fuji 32, so the foredeck it is.
Nesting dinghys keep their resale value and you would need to be very lucky to pick up a bargain.
Building one ( a kit?) is an option if you have the room and time.
Not sure but this could be a Walker or equivalent in the following photos. They show a tender stored on the foredeck.

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
22,812
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Duckworks boat builders developed a small sailing dinghy. They use fiberglass over a foam core. Here is a video of the boat.

The hull is thin, stitched plywood, lapped. The internal decks/seats use foam cores. The board and rudder use foam cores.
 
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Aug 11, 2011
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O'day 30 313 Georgetown MD
Storage of equipment (oars, CB, Mast, Boom etc) isn't that hard. It may take some thinking out of the box and changing things around. You'll find a way. Don't under estimate "necessity is the mother of invention"!
 
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Apr 8, 2010
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Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
Find a well maintained Ranger Minto (9'). Look for the factory two piece mast. Good sailing boat and easy to row.
(Formerly ) Built in Kent WA. Very high quality layup and design
 
May 16, 2015
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C&C 37 28127 Port Madison, Washington
I’m with you. We enjoy kayaking, but I want to sail when we’re anchored in beautiful places that often have nice breeze. The Reverso and Tewal are interesting and seem to be good performers but are space/time hogs. The nesting Chesapeake is incredible and I’d consider that one seriously if I were you. We need a motor on a RIB for a tender, so I’m looking at an inflatable wing board, which packs down and stows nicely.
 

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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
I have a Trinka 8' sailing dinghy. The mast comes apart and everything stores inside the dinghy: mast, boom, dagger board, rudder sail, oars. Sadly they aren't made anymore - I got on of the last 12 ever built. But they do come up on the used market. The Trinka rows superbly!

When I was looking at it I was comparing to the Walker Bay and I felt the Trinka was better, but the Walker Bay is also good. They are pretty pricey nowadays. Especially with all the bits for sailing.

There are various plans for nesting dinghies, for the size boat the OP is on, I'd think that might be interesting, but component storage with be an exercise in inventiveness...

Over on Sailing Anarchy there is a guy that made plans for s tri-hull dinghy that looks really good. Lots of options...

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Jun 23, 2016
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Hunter 41DS Pacific NW USA
Saw this earlier today, made me think of this thread.
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Jan 1, 2006
7,476
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I built a 7' "Peanut Pram" and it was a great tender for many years. Stitch on glue, plywood panels and plywood components. I did not do the sailing rig for the reasons others have mentioned - too much hardware to store. Mast, boom, rudder, dagger board, sail not including the existing anchor, oars, emergency kit, etc. Row, don't sail.
For those who follow Acorn to Arebella: That beautiful tender Victoria has a sailing rig and I have yet to see it used. It probably rows well too. But now it has an outboard.
Face reality: You sail to a destination and dingy into the dock.
The exception I'd mention is a powerboater I saw in Coecle's Harbor, who sailed his Dwyer Dhow around the anchorage for hours on end. He was maybe the most content man I''ve seen. Maybe that's because his wife was on the power boat?
 
Apr 25, 2024
370
Fuji 32 Bellingham
Saw this earlier today, made me think of this thread.
This picture just raises a bunch of questions for me, not the least of which has to do with the fact that it looks like everything might be sheeted to center and they are motoring. And why is there a fender out? Maybe they just really wanted a ketch rig?
 
Apr 25, 2024
370
Fuji 32 Bellingham
I took some measurements on the boat, yesterday, and am feeling pretty good about the Eastport Pram. Our transom is about 6 ft, corner-to-corner. So, at 7'9", that's pretty reasonable. It will also fit on our deck, no problem, which is probably where it will have to live when parked at the marina. I like that we would have options: tow, davit, or on-deck. The downside is that with the three of us, we will be pushing the weight and space limits, particularly while sailing.

Rigging for a boomless main will help with that a bit by making crew movement side-to-side a little easier/safer in a very cramped cockpit. Boomless is also appealing, given our intended use - cruising around close to shore around the islands. In that zone, winds are really squirrelly, making a boomless design pretty nice. We're not concerned with any efficiency losses, and frankly I'm not convinced that on a boat this size, rigged and trimmed with consideration, that there is that much difference. And, there is also one less thing to carry.

I fancy the idea of a sliding Gunter rig, for several reasons. I don't see this often/ever combined with boomlessness, but then again, I don't see a lot of boomless rigs. It kind of seems ideal for a boat this size/purpose. The standing rigging would easily fit inside the boat and it would be a ... breeze ... to rig. We're not interested in getting anywhere fast. If winds were really light on a downwind leg, I might experiment with using an oar as a sort of whisker pole, but then again, we are unlikely to sail this boat farther than we are willing to row, if we had to.

So, I guess my current thinking is to build one of these, initially just to row. Spend a season with it and add standing rigging if we still think we want it.

That makes our first step to build davits. It has been on my "eventually" list anyway - to use as a COB rescue option. So, seems like a good step #1. The Center for Wooden Boats down in Seattle is hosting a workshop for this boat in August. So, I might see about arranging moorage, sailing down, and just going to the workshop to jumpstart the project.
 
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Jun 23, 2016
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Hunter 41DS Pacific NW USA
This picture just raises a bunch of questions for me, not the least of which has to do with the fact that it looks like everything might be sheeted to center and they are motoring. And why is there a fender out? Maybe they just really wanted a ketch rig?
Haha, yeah.
Pretty sure they were sailing. I saw them when I was heading out of the marina in the dinghy, they were out of the marina as well. They headed across the smallish bay here and appeared to be rafting up with another boat last time I looked.
No clue why the sail was up on the dinghy, it appeared unmanned.

For the impromptu ketch rig, I pondered that myself while heading back to the boat. :) Even went as far as to wonder what kind of keel the dinghy might have and speculate how it might work with a rigid but adjustable frame instead of a towline attached to the main vessel. Kind of like one of those articulating passenger busses that bend in the middle. :cool:
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
What fires up my query, how is the dingy sail supported? On inspection there appears to be no mast on the dingy.