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I've been thinking of doing this--was thinking of two bungees going through multiple eyes. Would pull up bungee from each side in between each of the eyes and hook together on top of the sail bundle. But what is your setup? Do you have pics?
Guys,
I gotta say from using bungy chords, I just don't use them anymore to secure sail etc. They have their uses, but I just don't trust them. Ever get whacked in the face as one snaps? Also the sun eats them up. Another thing is to stay away from plastic ends. Sun & plastic do not go well.
What I use are straps with quick connects. And, if underway, I use a personal way of ribboning my mainsail cover so I can put it on by myself even in windy conditions & still be able to tame the cover.
First, turn on the iron jib. When removing my cover, I undo the quarter turns, unclip the end fitting, then stand at the mast. I grab about 2 feet aft of the mast and with hands on both sides of the boom, pull the section forward as far as I can so it's at the mast. That's the first "ribbon" fold. I then pull the next 2 foot section on & on until I am at the end.
I then undo the front part of the cover from the mast and lay this over the ribboned folds. I put my arm under the now ribboned cover & pick it up. It will look somewhat like a saddle. I fold it in half as I stow it in my aft lazerette.
When covering, I carry it to the mast and sling it over the boom close to the back side of the mast, I attach it around the mast grab the end and walk it to the rear. Clip it on the back of the boom & do the 1/4 turn fasteners as I move forward to the mast.
Make sure of your angle to the wind, and by now motoring, go as slow as possible so you don't fight the wind.
CR
I gotta say from using bungy chords, I just don't use them anymore to secure sail etc. They have their uses, but I just don't trust them. Ever get whacked in the face as one snaps? Also the sun eats them up. Another thing is to stay away from plastic ends. Sun & plastic do not go well.
What I use are straps with quick connects. And, if underway, I use a personal way of ribboning my mainsail cover so I can put it on by myself even in windy conditions & still be able to tame the cover.
First, turn on the iron jib. When removing my cover, I undo the quarter turns, unclip the end fitting, then stand at the mast. I grab about 2 feet aft of the mast and with hands on both sides of the boom, pull the section forward as far as I can so it's at the mast. That's the first "ribbon" fold. I then pull the next 2 foot section on & on until I am at the end.
I then undo the front part of the cover from the mast and lay this over the ribboned folds. I put my arm under the now ribboned cover & pick it up. It will look somewhat like a saddle. I fold it in half as I stow it in my aft lazerette.
When covering, I carry it to the mast and sling it over the boom close to the back side of the mast, I attach it around the mast grab the end and walk it to the rear. Clip it on the back of the boom & do the 1/4 turn fasteners as I move forward to the mast.
Make sure of your angle to the wind, and by now motoring, go as slow as possible so you don't fight the wind.
CR
That's a nice picture of the Raymarine wind instrument..... it measures "apparent" wind speed and direction and, when connected to a speed log, can also give you "true" windspeed and direction. It will help you to always think in terms of "apparent" or "true" when discussing the wind conditions with other sailors....
I checked your points of sail link..... could not find any reference to a "near" or "far" reach. Perhaps that's your own shorthand....but not understood in our common vernacular here.
Remember. a point of sail (no sail, close hauled, close/beam/broad reach, run) is the BOAT'S position relative to true wind.....
but hey....let's not lecture or be critical... the goal here is to become better sailors... right? If you're serious: I'd like to recommend John Rousmaniere's fantastic book "The Annapolis Book of Seamanship"....... http://www.amazon.com/dp/0684854201...and=1655560112460337458&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=
Hey thanks Capt...... but I have a handle on points of sail.... my question was what "near" reach and "far" reach meant........ btw your attachment didn't come through.
I use 1" x 4' webbing straps with loops in the end. Instead of putting them on the cabin top I hang them around the back of my neck with the loops on the right. The biggest issues I have are rope burn if I get too hasty tugging one free and having them attach themselves to the velcro closures on my jacket!
My fault.
"near reach/close hauled or later, 4.5 knots at a beam/broad reach. "
Apparently some local terms - darn that evolving English language - are purely local.
"near reach/close hauled or later, 4.5 knots at a beam/broad reach. "
Apparently some local terms - darn that evolving English language - are purely local.
Joe,
What I wanted to send you has all that info and nautical terms on the sheet in a clockwise manner. It's a great reference sheet to keep handy.
This is the first handout I give folks, if anyone wants a copyof this, my email address is:
captnron@tampabay.rr.com
Shoot me an email & I can send it to you. I don't why this week I cannot upload attachments. If I EVER see Bill Gates in an elevator, his ass is MINE.....
CR
What I wanted to send you has all that info and nautical terms on the sheet in a clockwise manner. It's a great reference sheet to keep handy.
This is the first handout I give folks, if anyone wants a copyof this, my email address is:
captnron@tampabay.rr.com
Shoot me an email & I can send it to you. I don't why this week I cannot upload attachments. If I EVER see Bill Gates in an elevator, his ass is MINE.....
CR
Honey we need a few more sail ties... can you stop at the store and buy a few bottles of Merlot
Heres' your picture........ it's in every sailing instructional book.......
Remember... points of sail are based on TRUE wind direction... that would be the boat's position relative to the true wind direction. Points of sail helps us set sails in basic position........ but we use APPARENT wind direction (your windex or telltales) to trim and fine tune the sails for performance.
You cannot define your point of sail by the angle on the windex.... that angle is affected by boat and wind speed (thus...apparent). It is quite normal to sail at 120 true (broad reach) and have the windex indicating 75 apparent. The boat speed is pushing your apparent wind direction forward.
So, again, Your point of sail will be defined by the true wind direction relative to the boat's course. This concept is very important because it allows us to plan our course..... tactics, if you will. It helps us determine the best way to get to our destination. True wind data is fundamental to sailboat performance...... polar charts... for instance.. use true wind data to help determine optimal boat speed and direction for a given true wind speed.
Finally.... it's easy to determine true wind direction using just your boat compass: simply average your closehauled compass headings on opposite tacks. for instance... 45 on starboard.... then 135 on port.... true wind direction is 90.
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CR, I think there's a misunderstanding... Joe is a really seasoned sailor. He and a few others were trying to establish what the OP was referring to when he wrote "near reach and far reach ". Though the chart you're referencing is a great one for all new sailors, it's not one he needed.
Very nice of you to offer it to those who have not access to it yet 'cause it is invaluable for sure!
Very nice of you to offer it to those who have not access to it yet 'cause it is invaluable for sure!
L,
I took his post as he wrote it, "What is a near reach or a far reach..... and your degrees mentioned refer to what?
I thought this picture being worth a thousand words, was what he had a question on. Seemed straight forward to me, as it was posted.
If I veiwed it in the wrong light, I apologize.
CR
I took his post as he wrote it, "What is a near reach or a far reach..... and your degrees mentioned refer to what?
I thought this picture being worth a thousand words, was what he had a question on. Seemed straight forward to me, as it was posted.
If I veiwed it in the wrong light, I apologize.
CR
Just to be clear........ Joe and Joe1188 are the same guy.......... for some reason ....Phil........ I have been trying to reset my password, but the site will not accept either of my email addresses, meaning I can't even request the info........ so.... I found this old user-password in my cache and used it................... what gives?
So... Ron.... I still haven't seen your pic. Does it actually say "far reach" and "near reach" on it?....... FAR OUT.. Dude.. I've got to see this. heh, heh.
But really, there's no need to apologize when it comes to offering help... any and all is appreciated. Btw, I've been through John's Pass a bunch to get out in the gulf... with my friends in Indian Rocks Beach....wish I could get out there more often... you're lucky to live in such a water wonderland.
What I really want to do is thank DLANDERSON for being a good sport in response to a little teasing about the near far thing..... thanks dl.
I know, makes you wonder how we stayed in the channel. This week we got rid of the sail ties, well maybe not quite.Honey we need a few more sail ties... can you stop at the store and buy a few bottles of Merlot
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