Running rigging layout

[PureLuck22]

Hello,

I searched and couldn't really find anything on the subject matter.

Im curious if anyone has any pictures or could describe the rigging layout on your boats if you have made any modifications from the stock plan.

I recently purchased a 1987 22 and am
frustrated by a few things. Currently I have my halyards running from the bottom of the mast (I have internal all line halyards), main out the starboard side and jib out the port side (I have a rolling furler, so what's normally the jib halyard is tied off to the mast step plate). What's weird is my boat only came with a cabin top winch on the port side and not the starboard side, so if I have to use a winch to help hoist up my main, I have to use the jib sheet winch on the starboard side of the cockpit or go across to the cabin top winch on the port side. Did 22's of this generation only come with the one cabin top winch? I'm curious what others have done for their main halyard. I'd like to use a rope clutch and have a winch dedicated for it.

I also only have horn cleats to tie off my jib sheets. Definitely not ideal when having to make quick adjustments. I was thinking either cam cleats or bite the bullet and get self tailers.

I also think my mainsheet is too short as the line goes all the way to the stopper knot when I let the boom out. How long is this line supposed to be?

Anyone have pics of their setups or things they've done to make things easier?

Thanks.

 

[Diamondjet]

Related response and further question!

I have a 1985 C-22 swing keel boat. The boat does not have internal halyards. There is a winch (ARCO) mounted on the port side of the mast. I've never needed it to raise either the main or jib but I can see it might be used to tension the sails. Is tensioning the reason that so many boats have mast mounted or cabin mounted winches???

 

[paphman]

We have all our lines running to the cockpit. They all run through rope clutches, and these are great. I added self tailing winches some years back and they have proven to be a good investment. My wife adjusts the jib, and she finds the st winches to be a God send. The winch on the port side cabintop is to add tension to the jib luff. You do not need it to raise the jib, but it helps tighten the luff when the wind comes up. If you go the clutch route, I think you will be vey pleased how well they work.

Dale

 

[OldCat]

Is tensioning the reason that so many boats have mast mounted or cabin mounted winches???

Yes, but the C22 is a small boat and the boom slides in the mast track*. A halyard winch is unnecessary for the main halyard because you can replace its function - luff tensioning - with a 3:1 or 4:1 boom downhaul. I don't know if the Genoa halyard for a hank on sail would benefit from a winch, I have a CDI furler.

If raising the main is not easy, then there is friction somewhere that needs to be fixed.

OTH: since the Diamondjet already has the winch and has external halyards, leading both halyards to it may be the simplest luff tensioning choice for that boat.

You need to be able to tension the luff of the main sail, it gives you control over the draft location of the main as the wind builds.

OC
* I am pretty sure this applies to an older boat - but not positive.

 

[watercolors II]

1987 model

I have a 1987 model with pop top, hull number 14,281.

I have both winches on the cabin top but, as Oldcat has stated you really don’t need the main halyard winch cause of the boom sliding in the mast. You could run the boom downhaul to the cockpit to keep from having to leave the cockpit.

I use hank on sails so when the wind picks up I use the headsail winch to tension the luff.

I still use the factory jam cleats for the halyards, they work and I only use them not more than twice for each day sailing, the second time to make a headsail change or reef the main.

Now, I did remove the factory jam cleats for the headsail sheets, and replaced them with Clamcleats, the ones with simple ridged V grooves that you push the line down in and lift up for release. Simple, cheap, fast and they work great.
I think self tailers on a 22 foot boat is overkill, releasing would be the same work as your present jam cleats but getting the line back in the self tailer would be worst than the jam cleat. You realize a jam cleat works with a rap and a pull, you don't have to tie the line to the cleat.

Check your purchase on the mainsheet, yours may be setup 4:1 where 3:1 will work better, the loads are not that great on a 22 and you don’t have all that line laying in the cockpit.

Two weeks ago I added a 12 inch extension to the mainsheet sheeting block at the traveler, came from someone on this site, it does make cleating and uncleating the main much easier to reach but, this extension to the block allows it to fall on the cockpit seats when tacking until the main is across the cockpit to retention it, so the jury is still out on this!

 

[OldCat]

Two weeks ago I added a 12 inch extension to the mainsheet sheeting block at the traveler, came from someone on this site, it does make cleating and uncleating the main much easier to reach but, this extension to the block allows it to fall on the cockpit seats when tacking until the main is across the cockpit to retention it, so the jury is still out on this!

I the 'guilty' party for this mod. My extension is much shorter - ~5". At that length it does not flop around as much and still helps cleating and uncleating a the mainsheet a lot. I used a catamaran shroud tang that I had in my box of old parts to lift the blocks.

An added benefit for adding an extension to the mainsheet block is that it makes mainsheet operation easier from the front of the cockpit - like when a kid is at the helm and dad needs to keep a hand on the sheet .

OC

p.s., I'd take picts of my running rigging, but my Sport model has a different roof and it would not help as much as those from 'normal' C22s.

 

[jfrench]

'87 Cat Manual

Attached is a PDF version of the '87 manual. It has specs for some of the rigging and explains which winches were which when the wench was wrought, and which were optional!

 

[Team118]

Here are some pictures I took of my old 22 for the new owner.

See post #6

http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=125692

Good luck!
Chris

 

[PureLuck22]

Thanks everyone for the advice. For my setup right now, I guess cabin top winches are not necessary. And right now getting self tailers is a bit out of my price range. So I decided to install a couple harken 150 cam cleats for my headsail sheets. My boat came with jam cleats just aft of the winches. These have been convenient for spring lines at the dock, but a pain while sailing. I was thinking of mounting the cam cleats on the vertical surface of the cockpit below the winches (a bit aft of the starboard winch, and a bit forward of the port winch). This was what I had used on a Beneteau 7.5 that I took lessons on and it worked well for that boat. Has anyone set theirs up like that on a C22? I see the factory setup was cam cleats aft of both winches where my jam cleats currently are, and I'm assuming with risers.

I have a bunch of scrap 6061 aluminum that's 1/4in thick (might be less) that I was thinking of using for backing plates. Good idea? Bad idea? How big should I make the backing plates?

Thanks again everyone!