Running Rigging - Halyards

[26macsailer]

1988 Mac Gregor 26D
I would like to know how, where to place hardware for running my main and jib halyards back to the cockpit for single sailor operation.

 

[JDK]

Here's where mine are, but I've seen other setups too.

JDK

 

[26macsailer]

thats what i needed thanks a bunch

 

[26macsailer]

Are the blocks at the bottom of the mast secured to anything under the fiberglass?

 

[JDK]

Are the blocks at the bottom of the mast secured to anything under the fiberglass?

No, just big washers.

JDK

 

[MrBill_FLL]

I have cheek blocks at the base of the mast, and a turning race way on port side going into 2 spinlocks.

but they make a very nice deck plate you can attach blocks with shackles. that is the way to go. less drilling, more flexability. think it might be a dwyer....

anyone have the mast base plate with the multiple attachment points?

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/ftldiver2/MACGREGOR/P1000524.jpg

not mine but similar:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/ftldiver2/MACGREGOR/picmacgregor26s102b.jpg

 

[Justin_NSA]

I'm pleased with my setup . Click the link for details

 

[MrBill_FLL]

looks like Justin has the mast deck plate... I'd recommend using...

where did you get it? who makes it?

 

[flynfol]

I concur. That would provide the strength needed for MOB recovery too. I practice with my crew(Kim and kids), and my deck really flexes where the eye straps attach under my weight

Thanks for the link Justin.

 

[Doug J]

Halyard Organizer Plate

I've been wanting to get one of these for a long time. When I'm finally ready to run my lines to the cockpit I'll get one, hopefully soon! I usually single hand, and I think it's a safety hazard raising and lowering the main from the mast. Like last weekend/Memorial Day, on San Diego Bay, lot of boat traffic, strong wind, wakes from passing boats, etc., sure would like to take care of the main from the safety of the cockpit. My headsail is already on a furler, so I'm part way there. I think lazy jacks will be part of the project too.

http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?...milyID=19&familyName=Halyard+Organizer+Plates

 

[Doug J]

Looks like Garhauer has some nicer ones! Better prices too!

http://garhauermarine.com

search for mast plates

 

[26macsailer]

Thank you everyone for your time and input. I see several things I like and plan on using them, and thanks for the links.

 

[Justin_NSA]

looks like Justin has the mast deck plate... I'd recommend using...

where did you get it? who makes it?

Dwyer makes it but I bought it from Catalina Direct. They have other styles as well
Mast Step Halyard Plate

 

[Sumner]

Last night Ruth and I were watching a movie on sailing that we got from Netflix and they had a part with a MOB drill. Ruth and I went through again what she would have to do if I went in the water (we haven't practiced this on the water, but will next time out). We just got a Tohatsu with electric start as a safety measure, but talking about what she would have to do I realized that she would have a real problem. The problem is that if she had to drop the main she would have to go to the mast. That would be very hard for her to do with her bad knees and poor balance. I have no problem going to the mast and rather enjoy it, but for her it is a different story. I wanted to put running the main halyard to the cockpit off, but after talking about that we feel we need to do that now and not later.

We have the CDI now, so that is covered. I hope to also have a removable inner stay that we could run our hank-on jib on or a storm sail if required, so if either of those were up I see a need for her to be able to drop them also from the cockpit. For this to be efficient I see a need to run the jib halyard and a jib down-haul to the cockpit.

I'm going to try a single line reefing system on the main, so if the main halyard is going to the cockpit then the reefing line needs to go there also. I don't feel we need a down-haul on the main as we have slugs and the old main came right down with the slugs, vs. needing to be pulled down with the bolt rope.

At this point I see that I need to take 4 lines to the cockpit: Main Halyard, Main Reef Line, Jib Halyard and Jib Down-haul. Don't know about a Main Down-haul.

So I have a few questions, but first Justin thanks for the pictures you posted they have helped and you have a nice setup!!

Do I need a ....

...rope clutch for all of them? I would think for sure I would want the two halyards in the clutch.

How about the jib down-haul and the main reef line? Could I run them to cleats or through a ....

...... cam cleat? I'd like to get 2 double or a double and a triple rope clutch, but they are expensive.

Any thoughts about any of the above?

Thanks,

Ruth and Sum

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[Timo42]

Imho, the only things that should have rope clutches are the halyards, and I went several years with camcleats with no problems. Only added the rope clutch and winch to make it easier to adjust main tension, that and I got the clutch for free. Some shots of my current setup from today. And one of the short cushions that clear the traveler.

 

[MrBill_FLL]

agree, just the halyard need clutches. camcleats will take the load on the rest.

just to add fuel to the fire... can ruth lower the engine too?


my plan is to let everything go, the boat will round up, (flogging the sails), then I'd need to swim to the boat... depending on the condition, and what I'm wearing, and if I'm hurt, that might be optimistic.

and for the record, I'm against single line reefing. 2 lines = kiss.

 

[Sumner]

...and I went several years with camcleats with no problems. ....

That is what I needed to hear. I'm going to try some camcleats mounted sideways/vertical on a bracket with one on each side of the bracket (not sure that is clear). There will also be a simple pin/latch that will keep the line located on the back side so that it can't pop out of the camcleat. I'll order parts today and post when I make it and also let people know if it worked or not. I should have clutches doing this for about $10 in materials and of course and old guys labor charges.

agree, just the halyard need clutches. camcleats will take the load on the rest.

just to add fuel to the fire... can Ruth lower the engine too?......

Yep, I'll put the same ....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/outboard-3.html

...block and tackle on it that was on the Honda and it looks like I will be able to use one less line as the there is only one release line needed to work the bail in the back on the Tohatsu vs. the two I needed with the Honda. The Tohatsu has the same base at the back of the outboard, so the swap should take less than 30 minutes.

It also looks like it will be pretty easy to run a Morse Cable from the shift linkage and throttle linkage to a bracket at the back of the cockpit. If a person added those and removed the shift bracket off the outboard and/or also the tiller/throttle off the outboard it will then swing easily full lock side to side on the transom. Actually you would just need to remove one or the other.

I plan on also taking the .....

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor/outside-18.html

...tiller handle off the top of the Honda and putting it on the Tohatsu, but would also like to look into a quick link rod between the Mac tiller and the outboard like bandit posted so that working the outboard and tiller in close quarters would be very easy to do. Ruth has fairly short arms and it is a pain for her to try and pull the tiller to starboard into her body and at the same time reaching over and pulling the outboard over.

.........and for the record, I'm against single line reefing. 2 lines = kiss.

I've heard that a lot and probably for good reason, but I'm going to try the same setup that Bob had on his Mac..

......and see how that works. If it doesn't I'll switch to something else. I already have the pieces to try it.

In the next day or two now that the boat is on the trailer when I'm up to it we will put the mast and boom up and Ruth is going to start on the sail pack....

....that will be similar to Sailrite's and others. That should also help with the reefing and since I'll have the main halyard at the cockpit I'd sure like to also have the reef line operate from there since you need to do both. Unfortunately we are getting older every day and need to start getting the boat where it will be more user friendly for the time that I can't scamper around so easily :cry:.

Thanks for the feedback guys,

Sum

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[Justin_NSA]

I also ran my CDI furling line and lazy jacks thru clutches too. You could use cleats, just set it and forget it, but IMHO the deck can get messy, more holes to leak. etc. I used a double clutch assembly on one side and a triple on the other. One is unused for now.