Running Backstays

Aug 24, 2014
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Aphrodite 101 148 Coeur d Alene ID
Aphrodite 101. I've had this boat for a few years now and while it's rigged for racing there is no longer any races on our home lake. I have yet to sail under conditions where I felt I needed the running backstays and am considering removing them. Under what conditions would they be needed?
Thanks!
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
@Jackdaw is in the Grenadines. Check out the "NOT Racing" thread.

The runners will be needed if the mast starts to pump. This can happen when sailing upwind in any kind of sea. It is not really about racing, it is about the loads on the mast. In lighter air and calm seas they won't be necessary. They can be left slack or taken to the mast and secured until they are needed.
 
Jun 25, 2004
1,108
Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
On fractional rigs that have backstays, running backstays would be attached to the mast at the forestay. The running backstay would be used to increase tension of the forestay in high winds and waves, for the pointing higher and depowering the jib.
 
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Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Lots of good advice so far. The Aphrodite 101 has a thin fractional mast section with straight spreaders. It gets none of the triangulated support that swept fractional rigs enjoy. Use the runners.
 
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Jun 25, 2004
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Corsair F24 Mk1 003 San Francisco Bay, CA
The pictures I’ve seen show spreaders that are swept aft. This one is a 1978 as shown in an ad on Yachtworld.

 
Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
The pictures I’ve seen show spreaders that are swept aft. This one is a 1978 as shown in an ad on Yachtworld.

Good catch. Thought I saw a straight spreader example. But the mast section is small, use without runners with caution.
 

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Nov 18, 2022
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Biancha Yachts Aphrodite 101 138 Portland
I purchased Aphrodite 101 hull #138 last summer. The previous owner had not installed the running back stays. Could someone provide me with pictures of an Aphrodite 101 running backstay.

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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Perhaps understanding what they are will help.



Running Backstays
Last Updated on Wed, 05 Oct 2022 | Sail Technology
Running backstays come in pairs, one to a side, and are not permanently fixed. Instead they can be eased off or removed on the leeward side when not in use. In most cases, running backstays will run from the aft weather side of the boat to a point on the mast usually two-thirds of the way up the spar. If the mast is sophisticated there might be two, or even three sets of running backstays on each side that can be independently adjusted. In this case the lower running backstays are called checkstays.

If your boat is equipped with running backstays and checkstays, or "runners" as they are most commonly known, you can use them to arrest the bend of the mast instead of just having it bend of its own free will. Specifically, as you tighten the backstay the mast will only bend until the runner comes tight, at which point the spar will no longer bend. The runners can also be used to straighten the mast if doing so will help you achieve a desirable sail shape. Furthermore, in concert with the backstay they can be important in controlling the shape of a headsail since tension aft will apply tension to the forestay. This interplay between the backstay, runners, and forestay is important to overall sail trim. Note that by manipulating the backstay and runners you are not only controlling the amount of camber in the mainsail, you are also affecting its location, since as the mast bends and pulls shape from the sail, it pulls it from the front of the sail, with the result that the location of the maximum amount of camber moves further aft. In mainsails you want to keep the point of maximum draft at roughly the midpoint of the sail, something you should always keep in mind when adjusting the other aspects of mainsail shape.

In recent years there has been a trend away from the running backstays that were so prevalent in the past. Before fabrics became really stable you needed to be able to manipulate sail shape in quite large measures, and bending masts was a good way of doing this. Having a mast that relied heavily on running backstays to keep it upright, however, was not something many sailors were keen on, so with the advent of newer sailmaking materials the trend has been toward fixed swept-back spreaders to support the mast without all that extra rigging. One drawback to these newer setups is that once the rigging is tight you are not able to bend the mast so much. Fortunately, with precise sail engineering, this is not the issue it used to be.
 

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Dec 1, 2009
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Sabre 402 Southport, CT
The drawing here: SailboatData.com - APHRODITE 101 Sailboat shows that the two running backstays are supposed to go from the back of the mast at the hounds (the height where the forestay meets the mast) to the transom. There are probably big padeyes on each of the transom quarters for them to attach to, or something similar. The drawing looks like there is a tackle at the bottom. On our J/36 we had a 4:1 or 6:1 tackle with an integrated cam cleat for them. Snap shackles at each end made it easy to rig or unrig them. Somewhat like this: BL003 - Boat Lift Tackle - Blocks with Cam Cleat and 5/16" Rope Included - Ready To Use The running back themselves were wire (it was an old boat) and were set just long enough to reach just above the cabin top at the partners, so they could be lashed to a bail on the back of the mast when not being used. When needed, the tackles would be brought out, and the snap shackles attached to the eyes at the ends of the running backs and to the transom. We always put the cams on the bottom, because you can pull up with more force than you can pull down. (Pulling down is limited by your weight.) The tackles make it quick to snug up or to release the stays, but you can also take the tail to a winch if you're slow or get distracted in a tack.