Rudder repair - beneteau 375 - foam core

Mar 30, 2014
28
Beneteau First 375 qc
Dear All,

My Bénéteau First375's rudder is wet and it looks like the water has been absorbed by the foam inside. In order to repair it, my idea is to open one side, remove the foam and replace with closed cell foam to avoid water ingress.
Any tips/tricks on how to rebuild? If I remove all the foam, I suppose that the rudder post will become loose inside and I'll have to take care to align it correctly to keep the shape OK? What is the best way to proceed? Any idea how the inside will look like (post+ spokes?)?

Regards
 
Mar 30, 2014
28
Beneteau First 375 qc
Thank you Bill,
I saw these videos before and they are really well made! Andy, is also very helpful!

Do you remember if the post of the rudder was reinforced with 3 or 4 perpendicular tabs? The rudder on the mooring is probably built like the one on the First 375!
Thank you in advance for sharing your experience with me!
 
Nov 18, 2015
6
Beneteau Moorings 38 (1990) Treasure Island Marina
There are no perpendicular tabs on the shaft/post, at least on the trailing side of my rudder, much link the one Andy repaired. I am not going to remove the fiberglass forward of the shaft as I am trying to find out how the shaft does not rotate as the only thing I can see is friction between the inner side of fiber glass and the shaft. Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. Most appreciated.

Bill
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Unless you have a corroded metal grid and rudder post you don't need to remove wet core foam. Open a small hole top and bottom, vac it and leave it open during layup. plug it, or epoxy it shut at spring commissioning. Not sure how the First rudder is built, but mine has no metal. And pretty much all spade rudders leak at the shaft penetration.
 
Mar 30, 2014
28
Beneteau First 375 qc
Hi Bill,

On my rudder, there are 4 tabs welded perpendicularly to the post according to the drawings I got; so it seems to be different than your's. On your rudder, the post is probably laminated on one side of the rudder; probably like the one you saw in the video.
Gunni : I know that most (if not all) rudders have water in but my fear, is mainly delamination. When knocking on the sides, I can hear that there are some areas not well glued to the foam and if I push air with compressor, I can see the side moving slightly; meaning that the bonding with foam is no OK. I don't know if it could be possible to improve that bond without opening the rudder? If so, how I should proceed?

Regards
 
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Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
With a metal grid, and corrosion/rust all kinds of things could be happening inside your rudder. My concern would be will the rudder blade spin on the shaft rendering it inoperative. I see where Beneteau wants $8,500 for a new one, that pays for a lot of repair work...
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
You may want to check with Foss Foam in Florida regarding a repair/replacement.
 
Nov 18, 2015
6
Beneteau Moorings 38 (1990) Treasure Island Marina
Great link. You are right, a picture is worth a 1000 words!! Thank you for this!

Bill
 

jcb2

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Jun 5, 2012
51
Oday 31 Bayville, NJ
Dear All,

My Bénéteau First375's rudder is wet and it looks like the water has been absorbed by the foam inside. In order to repair it, my idea is to open one side, remove the foam and replace with closed cell foam to avoid water ingress.
Any tips/tricks on how to rebuild? If I remove all the foam, I suppose that the rudder post will become loose inside and I'll have to take care to align it correctly to keep the shape OK? What is the best way to proceed? Any idea how the inside will look like (post+ spokes?)?

Regards
I had a rudder fail once due to corroded welds inside the foam. It wasn't a good experience! I recommend you consider buying a new one rather than repair the existing one. I bought one for my boat at Ruddrcraft.com. Foss Foam made most of the rudders for domestic sailboats in the 80s through today. They have improved their design by replacing the carbon steel internal parts with stainless steel. However they still don't perform Post Weld Heat Treating (stress relieve) at the welds so if seawater gets in the foam, it will corrode the weld area because of the stresses left from welding. I went with Ruddercraft because they fabricate from solid HDPE (high density poly ethylene) which eliminates the sandwich construction of foam inside fiberglass shells used in conventional rudders. There are a lot of advantages and the cost is about the same. I bought them for two boats and am very pleased with them. If they don't already have your rudder specs, you can send them your old one to measure from. That's what I did for my ODay 31 and it's a perfect match.
 
Oct 9, 2013
72
Beneteau First 38 Belmont Harbor
Hello to all,

Apologies for not chiming in earlier but have been far too busy at work recently and only now have had time to post our experiences.

We have a 1984 Beneteau First 38 which we purchased in spring 2013. At the time of purchase our surveyor noted the following: “RUDDER: No movement when mild force applied. Paint coverage is good. Soundings remarkable on majority of rudder, moisture meter readings 200-750. No signs of impact. Water appears to be leaking from bottom of rudder. Repair as needed.”

Here in Chicago it is somewhat common for water to infiltrate into the rudders during the sailing season. Many boat owners then drill a small hole into the base of the rudder at haulout to allow water to drain prior to freezing temperatures and winter arriving. In the spring the drain hole is patched (3M 4200) prior to launch. Apparently this had been done for many years on our boat’s rudder as evidenced by the numerous patched holes at the bottom of the rudder.

We considered (a) new rudder from BENETEAU, (b) new rudder from Foss Foam Products of Florida (www.newrudders.com), (c) rebuilt rudder by Foss Foam utilizing our existing rudder post, or (d) rebuilt rudder by local fiberglass shop. We shopped around and selected Skyway Yacht Works here in Chicago.

Scope of work included:

· Test moisture in rudder with moisture meter
· Fiberglass repair - grind open an inspection panel at bottom of rudder
· Remove sample of foam to ascertain moisture content - it's soaked; thus proceed to next steps
· Fabricate a template for reconstruction
· Fiberglass repair - cut open port side of rudder to expose foam
· Remove all foam, sand and vacuum cavity of any loose debris
· Wipe out cavity with solvent to remove any moisture holding debris
· Fiberglass repair - fill cavity with foam
· Fiberglass repair - course shaping - shave foam to approximate shape of rudder
· Fiberglass repair - fine shaping - sand foam to precise shape of rudder using template
· Fiberglass repair - cut fiberglass to shape
· Vacuum bag new glass in place
· Fill, fair and sand rudder where needed
· Paint sanded rudder with barrier coat

Upon opening up the rudder Skyway commented that this original 1984 Beneteau rudder was exceedingly well built – overbuilt compared to today’s boats and that the solid stainless steel rudder post (2.75 in OD, = 70 mm OD) and 4 horizontal tabs were all in great condition – solid welds and again overbuilt. Under no circumstances would they recommend fabricating a new rudder post. Thus we reused the existing rudder post.

Longest part of the project was the “drying out” of the shell of the old rudder after removal of the wet foam. Measured moisture levels on the inside of the glass took a while to drop. This was in a heated workshop. In the end the shop had to use heat lamps to get everything nice and dry prior to installing new foam.

10 F38 Rudder With Foam Core Removed 01.jpg 30 F38 Rebuilt Rudder 03.JPG

Here a link to photos of the process.
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=638E595E68A95E10!658&authkey=!AFinjbYmYUfwnXg&ithint=folder,pdf