Rudder questions

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John Charde

I brought the rudder from my 272 home for refurb this spring, and find that it's got no obvious shape distortions, but is hollow sounding when tapped on the lower 1/3 central area, and has a fair bit of water sloshng around inside. Anyone out there know how concerned I should be? The boat is used for close-to-home bay cruising and overnights. If this is normal and acceptable, should it be protected from freezing? Thanks for any replies. Spring beckons!
 
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Tom Ehmke

If there is water inside, you should be concerned

The rudder on the 272 is made by Foss Foam and is supposed to be neutrally buoyant. It is never good to have water where it is not supposed to be because of the damage it could cause. You mentioned the possibility of the water freezing. That is definitely a no-no. The expansion could crack the fibreglass and will probably distort the shape of the rudder.Even if it wouldn't freeze, the extra weight of the water inside will affect the trim of the boat. I would definitely be concerned about the penetration of the water. It may be leaking in at the location of the lower pintles. Check there and at the seams on the front and rear edges of the rudder for cracks. Solution? First, I would suggest weighing the rudder so that you have a baseline for comparison. Hang the rudder inside in a warm place like a basement and drill holes at the bottom to drain the water. If the rudder sounds hollow, there could already be some separation of the fibreglass and foam inside the rudder. Help the rudder dry out by applying some moderate heat from a small space heater. You should keep the heat high for a few weeks, but just high enough to evaporate as much of the water inside as you can. You don't want to distort the rudder with heat. After the dry-out, weigh it again to see how much water there was inside. Now the guesswork begins. You probably will not ever get all the water out, but if the rudder will float, you are back to neutral buoyancy. Repair the holes you drilled and any others that you may have found during your inspection and seal them with epoxy. Use the rudder next season and check your repair at the end of the season by weighing it again. If there is no evidence of water and the weight is the same, you should be ok. I don't think I would store the rudder in a cold area because of the water that may still be inside it. Freezing could mess up all your repair work. Is all of this worth it? It's up to you, but a new rudder is expensive. Tom
 
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Doug Dannen

I had the same problem

I had the same problem and I drilled a 1/4 hole in the bottom of the rudder the way Tom mentioned. About one cup of water drains out each year. I then epoxy the hole before the next season. I also epoxied the seam along the edge.
 
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Mike

Drain and fix

John: Yes you should be concerned. Last winter my rudder froze and burst open at about mid rudder at the trailing edge. It was just a matter of cutting out the damaged portion and filling with epoxy; then barrier coat (vc tar) and anti fouling paint. I pulled the rudder this fall and drilled holes in the bottom allowing it to drain all winter. This spring I'll epoxy those holes, seal the parting line where the rudder stock enters the fiber glass and sealing the holes at the bottom. You need to fix this. It's fairly easy. Good luck, Mike S/B Pitterpat, Lake Huron
 
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John Charde

Thanks to Mike, Doug and Tom

Hey Guys: Thanks for the posts. All this confirms what I suspected, and the repair advice and suggestions for monitoring are sensible. There was an appreciable amount of wate rin this rudder, and unfortunately, I did not weigh it beforehand. The info that the rudder is designed for neutral buoynacy provides a goal. Thanks again. Good sailing. John Charde
 
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