Rudder packing

Oct 5, 2008
26
hunter 37 cutter brunswick
Repacked my rudder earlier this year, its started
leaking again under power causing some water to spray on engine, from the rear bilge when it fills up. Any suggestions. Packed it with two wraps of 1/4 packing.
At the time this was all it would take.
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Are you sure the water is entering around the top of the stuffing box? Could it be the hose, either at the clamped ends or a hole? Do you have space left to squeeze the packing tighter?
 

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Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
You and I got different Cherubini Hunter's but just to chime in along Ed's lines...

Last summer, for the first time in the seven years that I have owned my boat, I also noticed that my rudder packing was leaking past the rudder post packing gland while motoring ... or more like when I was sailing and well-heeled and going 7+kts in 20+kts wind.

I don't know when the PO did any work on the rudder packing gland. But when I did tighten my four packing tube bolts, the leaking stopped. I also replaced one suspect tube clamp and tightened the others. I think that I won't able to snug up the packing again, so the next time I will have to put in new packing material. Not looking forward however. Due to the tight access it will be a yuck of a project.

Very well could be that your initial snugging up was fine. But several months on, you need to snug again. Or now due to time and compression, you will be able to put in a third wrap?

Let us know what you have discovered.

Not that it adds anything to your solution, but I do attach a photo of my rudder tube. It's upside down. I don't know why since on my computer the orientation is fine.
 

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Oct 5, 2008
26
hunter 37 cutter brunswick
I noticed the water creeping out of the top ofthe hose.the hose seems to be perishing. Can the hose be changed in the water
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
I noticed the water creeping out of the top ofthe hose.the hose seems to be perishing. Can the hose be changed in the water
Hi:

Looking again at the picture you included with your opening post:

- The hose/tubing really doesn't have the appearance of failing;
- The hose clamps however don't look right = not fully tightened. And the lower of the two in the picture appears not to be tightened much at all. And also appears to miss the underlying piece that it should be tightening against.

So as a suggestion before you think about replacing the hose, are you sure that the hose clamps are tightened real good? And they are positioned correctly? I can't see from your picture if you have two clamps on the top (= cinching around the packing gland brass assembly) and two clamps on the bottom (= cinching around the hull's FRP rudder post extrusion). My Hunter Cherubini 36 has a total of four clamps. Certainly if you have the room, you also should have total of four clamps.

I did manage to find a better pic of my rudder tube area which I have attached. The appearance of the actual rubber hose/tube on mine looks a lot more suspect than yours! But also note that my clamps visibly are compressing the hose. Yours look very loose in comparison.

But if you do need to replace the hose and want to do it in the water: On my boat, I think would be possible and it is something that I myself would attempt. Just sitting at berth, the water level is way below the top of the hull's rudder tube extrusion. So water flooding shouldn't be an issue.

My thoughts are: Firstly, hang a line (or two would be safer) so that the lines loops underneath the rudder. Tie each end on the port and starboard say along the toe rail. Adjust the length so that when you start releasing the post from its restraints and the quadrant, the rudder post can't slip down through the tube and fall out to the bottom. But adjust the lines so the top of the SS post is just low enough to remove the old tube and install a new one. (On this, I remember asking on SBO once if a rudder will sink and the general response was yes. So that is why I think it prudent to rig lines to restrain the rudder from sliding out.) From that point on, I can't see that replacing the hose in the water would be any different from on-the-hard. Might actually be easier/cheaper since on-the-hard, you might need to hire the yard's boat hoist to raise the boat enough that the rudder can be dropped enough to slip a new tube on. I do suggest, however you ascertain for yourself about my thoughts above.

An issue might be later raising the rudder back up. Any binding of the post in the tube might make this difficult. On land one could jiggle it back-and-forth with the assistance of a lever bar against the ground underneath to add the "up force."

So think it through. The Ask-All-Sailor's forum might get you a wider audience and opinions.
 

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Oct 5, 2008
26
hunter 37 cutter brunswick
Are you sure the water is entering around the top of the stuffing box? Could it be the hose, either at the clamped ends or a hole? Do you have space left to squeeze the packing tighter?
I stopped the leak after tightening the hose clamp upper one. How many clamps could you get on the top of the rubber hose.i have two on bottom but only one on the top
Also is it possible to change hose in the water, as it seems perished
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Was afraid of that. Yes, I have two clamps on top. But to replace the hose means dropping the rudder. And you almost have to do that in the water. But it is a job to remove the radial wheel to allow the rudder to slide out(with a good line tied around the pin where the emergency tiller attaches).
 
Oct 5, 2008
26
hunter 37 cutter brunswick
Are you sure the water is entering around the top of the stuffing box? Could it be the hose, either at the clamped ends or a hole? Do you have space left to squeeze the packing tighter?
thanks i wasnt sure whether the flange on the stuffing box would take two hose clamps
 
May 31, 2007
773
Hunter 37 cutter Blind River
I know my rudder packing gland leaks. Has done so for years (fresh water thank goodness). I can just see the trickle if I commit youthful gymnastics moves with a flashlight in the lazarette. However, it doesn't cause spray upon the engine. That I think would me more likely from the engine shaft packing gland.