Rope. Clutch

NYSail

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
3,136
Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
Ok I'm in the market for new rope clutches as my 1986 schaffers are eating me lines. I was going to go with spinlock xts but the footprint is too big for where I need them. Need a quad.... Antal v grip makes one that has a nice range in line size and has a smaller footprint. Would have to pair a single with a triple. Any experience or knowledge of these units. Not the antal maxi or plus as these are a bit expensive. Any suggestions? Thanks!
 
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Kings Gambit

Kings Gambit

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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Lewmar D2 rope clutch; can get in single, twin, or triple set. It's the best I've had, but $$. Will not eat the line!
 
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Steve Dion

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Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Garhauer. They will make them up in any size you want 1-4 units is a standard size.

$400 for a quad unit and a 10 year guarantee
 
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Joe

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,161
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
The garhauers on my boat are about 7 years old and would certainly have a small enough footprint... but they will chew up your line just like the Lewmars if you use it in clutch mode all the time. I don't engage the clutch until sail is fully hoisted.... One of the clutch makers, forget which, claims their mechanism is soft on line than the others.... probably the real expensive one...
 
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Steve Dion

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Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
The new ones have dual springs and are much easier on the lines. We have had our new ones for 6 years and no excess line wear.

I suppose it could also be an issue depending on the brand/type of line that is used.
 
Joe

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,161
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I'm not dissing Garhaurer... the clutches are beautiful, functional and affordable.... When I first installed them I hoisted sails with the clutch engaged.... because.. I have standard, not self tailing, winches. If I had self tailing winches it would be idiotic to hoist with the clutch engaged. (the winch jaws do the job of the clutch teeth) After noticing the increased abrasion... I quickly reverted to hoisting with the clutch wide open. Not ready to start replacing halyards every year or two.

I'm not sure the type of rope makes a lot of difference... not in my budget to experiment with that.
 
Scott

Scott

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Sep 24, 1997
242
Hunter 31_83-87 Middle River, Md
Send garhaur an one of yours. They are more than happy about matching the bolt hole pattern. Can't say enough good about garhaur products.
 
trainmanjess

trainmanjess

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Dec 7, 2012
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Kittiwake 23, Irwin 43 .. Indianapolis / indianatown, fl
hello all

I have spinlock XAS power cleats on my boats... I love them... easy to use, easy to install, and they have a link to attach them together for proper spacing when installing.... not had any problems with the spinlocks yet... not abrasive to my ropes... they are a little wider than most other clutches, but I think it is worth the wider footprint...

set my boat up for solo sailing so all my ropes go thru spinlocks on the cabin top back to the cockpit....

sincerely
Jess
 
Joe

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,161
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Steve Dion said:
Garhauer. They will make them up in any size you want 1-4 units is a standard size.

$400 for a quad unit and a 10 year guarantee
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Steve....that's a little high. The Garhauer single is $55. This quad is $200. According to recent catalogue.



Also.... I rather doubt that the mounting holes can be modified. Their placement in the frame for screwdriver access through top of unit is restricted by the interior mechanism.
 
Jackdaw

Jackdaw

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Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
trainmanjess said:
hello all

I have spinlock XAS power cleats on my boats... I love them... easy to use, easy to install, and they have a link to attach them together for proper spacing when installing.... not had any problems with the spinlocks yet... not abrasive to my ropes... they are a little wider than most other clutches, but I think it is worth the wider footprint...

set my boat up for solo sailing so all my ropes go thru spinlocks on the cabin top back to the cockpit....

sincerely
Jess
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XAS power cleats are wonderful devices but are not clutch replacements. They are camcleat replacements, for lines often played so they release without touching the device. Vangs and twings yes, but I would NEVER use one for a halyard.
 
Scott T-Bird

Scott T-Bird

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Oct 26, 2008
6,240
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Confusion?

between XAS Power CLUTCH vs PXR Power CLEAT? Also, the original post considered XLS? I can't find that model.

I have Spinlock XAS clutches and use them for halyards and control lines led back to cockpit. I'll admit that I may rethink the use of clutches for halyards and cleats for control lines. But the XAS is supposed to be appropriate for a boat my size. I do like them, and have no rope abrasion having them on the boat for many years now, with no problems. Why shouldn't they be used for halyards? Advertises for loads up to 1270 lbs.

But the poster's boat is a 36' Pearson. It seems that the appropriate Spinlock clutch is XTS for racing boats 27' to 50'. If the footprint is too big, they won't fit ...
 
Chris Patterson

Chris Patterson

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Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
I see no reason not to have hazards on clutches. Lots of boats have them, an I.P. Comes to mind immediately. With lazy jacks, the sail is down quickly. Or the mate can tend it from the cockpit while someone else flakes the sail.
 
Scott T-Bird

Scott T-Bird

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Oct 26, 2008
6,240
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Whew ...

I think there was confusion over the terminology. When talking about Spinlock, the XAS is a clutch but Jess called it a cleat. Then, Jackdaw basically said that he likes Spinlock XAS power cleats, but not for halyards. I would agree but when he is talking about the power cleat, I think he is talking about the PXR. The letters are making everybody's head spin!

The XAS is a clutch, not a cam cleat, and I think it is appropriate on my 27' boat for halyards, but Spinlock says that the XTS clutch is a better selection for NYSail's 36' Pearson. But NYSail says he can't use the Spinlock product because the footprint is too large. Thoroughly confusing, no? :confused:
 
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Steve Dion

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Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Joe said:
Steve....that's a little high. The Garhauer single is $55. This quad is $200. According to recent catalogue.



Also.... I rather doubt that the mounting holes can be modified. Their placement in the frame for screwdriver access through top of unit is restricted by the interior mechanism.
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Thanks for the correction. I had one of those moments with an problem between the keyboard and the chair (PEBKAC)
 
NYSail

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
3,136
Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
Yes..... XTS is the model that I was referring to. I am reading here some say they would not use a clutch for a halyard.... So what would you use? Thanks
 
weinie

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
I recently replaced my slipping clutch with an XAS for my main halyard. Definitely the way to go.
 
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Albanach

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Jul 1, 2009
221
Catalina 310 Sydney-Pittwater
[QUOTE: "Also.... I rather doubt that the mounting holes can be modified. Their placement in the frame for screwdriver access through top of unit is restricted by the interior mechanism."

You can drill another hole in the bottom plate of the Garhauer clutch to vary spacing to some extent. Don’t think it weakens the clutch or attachment to the deck too much. You can fasten the bottom plate and then add the internal housing or fasten the housing and internal mechanism (which is a self contained item) and then add the lever assembly later. Have just done the latter to replace the old clam cleat with a Garhauer clutch.

Even though the A$ price is more than double that of the US$, their quality and service is worth it. They replaced the internal mechanism of one of my clutches free of charge and freight costs, no questions asked, when it was just over 10 years old.
 
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