The roller furling on my H 33.5 is binding when I try to roll up the sail. I dodnt see anything wrong with it, but on occasion have to put it on the winch to get in rolled in. Anyone have the same problem ?
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I was having the same problem on my 356 and it didn't matter how much tension I kept on the line as I unfurled, it still would bind,so I took off the chrome guard housing cover and haven't had a problem since(about 2yrs.)
I was having the same problem on my 356 and it didn't matter how much tension I kept on the line as I unfurled, it still would bind,so I took off the chrome guard housing cover and haven't had a problem since(about 2yrs.)
Not sure what kind of furler
you have, so it's hard to give specific advice. But here is what I'd try first: with the sail rolled up and at the dock, untie the jibsheets. Then try to turn the whole furler/sail and see if it turns easily, as it should or if it binds. If it binds, try to determine, by feel, if it's binding at the drum or the upper swivel. It may be that the bearings in the drum (usually one set at the top and the bottom one is hard to service), or the upper swivel have some crud, salt or other gunk in them and they need to be cleaned out and properly lubricated. Another thing to check is the condition of the foil/extrusion to see if any bends, nicks or misalignment of sections has occurred there. You may have to drop the sail to do this. While you are at it, check to make sure your halyard tension is not too tight (or too loose). FWIW, I do not believe you should need a winch to roll up a sail on boat this size -- and you may do damage to your system by using one. Good luck with this.
you have, so it's hard to give specific advice. But here is what I'd try first: with the sail rolled up and at the dock, untie the jibsheets. Then try to turn the whole furler/sail and see if it turns easily, as it should or if it binds. If it binds, try to determine, by feel, if it's binding at the drum or the upper swivel. It may be that the bearings in the drum (usually one set at the top and the bottom one is hard to service), or the upper swivel have some crud, salt or other gunk in them and they need to be cleaned out and properly lubricated. Another thing to check is the condition of the foil/extrusion to see if any bends, nicks or misalignment of sections has occurred there. You may have to drop the sail to do this. While you are at it, check to make sure your halyard tension is not too tight (or too loose). FWIW, I do not believe you should need a winch to roll up a sail on boat this size -- and you may do damage to your system by using one. Good luck with this.
Halyard tension
Try with different amounts of halyard tension. Too much and it binds from friction and too much and the lack of pressure makes it sag and bind.
Try with different amounts of halyard tension. Too much and it binds from friction and too much and the lack of pressure makes it sag and bind.
Been there, done that
The H33.5 uses a Hood below deck furling system. Last year I had the same problem with un-furling and furling. To make a long story short, the problem turned out to be at the top of the escutcheon. There are two plastic parts that mount into the top. Together they are called the upper bearing. Its' job is to keep the forestay centered. One of my plastic pieces was gone. This can be repaired without taking the mast down (I am told), but I took mine done for the winter and repaired it. The problem could also be the upper swivel. If you haven't lubricated the bearings, you might give it a good douse of WD-40. The drum also can be a problem if the rope stripper inside the drum is broken, missing, or mounted in the wrong place. The first think I would do is watch the upper end of the furling with a binoculars at dockside. Have somebody try to unfurl the jib, and look to see if the halyard is trying to wrap itself around the forestay. You might also note if the top of the swivel is trying to turn as you try to furl or un-furl. It shouldn't do that. You can get parts and advise by going to the Hood website at http://www.pompanette.com/home and selecting the Hood tab. Go to the on-line catalog and look up parts for the LD810 model. You can also call them at (813) 885-2182. Good luck.
The H33.5 uses a Hood below deck furling system. Last year I had the same problem with un-furling and furling. To make a long story short, the problem turned out to be at the top of the escutcheon. There are two plastic parts that mount into the top. Together they are called the upper bearing. Its' job is to keep the forestay centered. One of my plastic pieces was gone. This can be repaired without taking the mast down (I am told), but I took mine done for the winter and repaired it. The problem could also be the upper swivel. If you haven't lubricated the bearings, you might give it a good douse of WD-40. The drum also can be a problem if the rope stripper inside the drum is broken, missing, or mounted in the wrong place. The first think I would do is watch the upper end of the furling with a binoculars at dockside. Have somebody try to unfurl the jib, and look to see if the halyard is trying to wrap itself around the forestay. You might also note if the top of the swivel is trying to turn as you try to furl or un-furl. It shouldn't do that. You can get parts and advise by going to the Hood website at http://www.pompanette.com/home and selecting the Hood tab. Go to the on-line catalog and look up parts for the LD810 model. You can also call them at (813) 885-2182. Good luck.
I've also been there, done that
I have a Hood LD 810 roller furling on my '92 H 33.5. My problem turned out to be the spacer at the bottom, just below the drum. Like Ken's bearing, the lower bearing is 2 piece plastic and is designed to center the extrusion on the forestay wire. If there is no spacer inside, empty your anchor locker and see if it's buried in there. If not, check the link to Pompanette (click on Hood, then click on catalog) provided in Ken's reply and order a new one. It's tough to re-install but it can be done without removing the extrusion or the forestay. Unclip the snap shackle that keeps it from turning and raise the entire unit as high as you can. Assemble the bearing loosely, under the drum and slide it up inside. There is a hole in the tube under the drum that allows access to the allen head bolts for tightening. I don't remember why but I seem to remember that I had to drill the center hole in the plastic bearing to make it larger. The bearing came with 2 little spacers to space the 2 halves before drilling otherwise the halves would never be able to grip the wire. The bearing is marked #18 in the attached link The sketch is the same but the P/N is different for the LD 800. Know what you have before ordering. Tom s/v Orion's Child
I have a Hood LD 810 roller furling on my '92 H 33.5. My problem turned out to be the spacer at the bottom, just below the drum. Like Ken's bearing, the lower bearing is 2 piece plastic and is designed to center the extrusion on the forestay wire. If there is no spacer inside, empty your anchor locker and see if it's buried in there. If not, check the link to Pompanette (click on Hood, then click on catalog) provided in Ken's reply and order a new one. It's tough to re-install but it can be done without removing the extrusion or the forestay. Unclip the snap shackle that keeps it from turning and raise the entire unit as high as you can. Assemble the bearing loosely, under the drum and slide it up inside. There is a hole in the tube under the drum that allows access to the allen head bolts for tightening. I don't remember why but I seem to remember that I had to drill the center hole in the plastic bearing to make it larger. The bearing came with 2 little spacers to space the 2 halves before drilling otherwise the halves would never be able to grip the wire. The bearing is marked #18 in the attached link The sketch is the same but the P/N is different for the LD 800. Know what you have before ordering. Tom s/v Orion's Child
Thanks guys
Thanks guys, great info, I'll be working on the headsail this weekend. I've printed everything out. Thanks again, I love this place !!!
Thanks guys, great info, I'll be working on the headsail this weekend. I've printed everything out. Thanks again, I love this place !!!
Have fun working in the anchor locker *o
Good luck, and as Tom said, keep us posted. One more thing...I used my spinnaker halyard, attached to one of the docking cleats, to relieve the tension on the roller furling (forestay). I was then able to loosen the backstays and disconnect the bottom clip of the forestay from the boat. As you may know, that is a terrible place to work. The air was blue while I was working there. I replaced the clevis pin with a stainless steel bolt and lock-nut. I hope I don't have to drop that mast again any time soon. I'm getting too old for that.
Good luck, and as Tom said, keep us posted. One more thing...I used my spinnaker halyard, attached to one of the docking cleats, to relieve the tension on the roller furling (forestay). I was then able to loosen the backstays and disconnect the bottom clip of the forestay from the boat. As you may know, that is a terrible place to work. The air was blue while I was working there. I replaced the clevis pin with a stainless steel bolt and lock-nut. I hope I don't have to drop that mast again any time soon. I'm getting too old for that.
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I got sick of trying to work on the damn thing down in that hole so I moved the furling drum above deck. Now I can see it and get to it better. I have a Hood system which wouldn't be my first choice, but it's what I have to work with right now.
I got sick of trying to work on the damn thing down in that hole so I moved the furling drum above deck. Now I can see it and get to it better. I have a Hood system which wouldn't be my first choice, but it's what I have to work with right now.
Voila, its the luff bearing !
Ok, heres what happened.I threw my back out a few days ago, so I hired a rigger to look at the roller furling. He took it apart and in 45 minutes discovered it was a part called the luff bearing. Called Hood in tampa, the part just arrived via UPS, no charge that I can see from Hood ! The part goes in tomorrow. ( I've been reduced to sailing with the "A" sail, yahoo ! Thanks to all who responded, its good to be with other sailors!!!
Ok, heres what happened.I threw my back out a few days ago, so I hired a rigger to look at the roller furling. He took it apart and in 45 minutes discovered it was a part called the luff bearing. Called Hood in tampa, the part just arrived via UPS, no charge that I can see from Hood ! The part goes in tomorrow. ( I've been reduced to sailing with the "A" sail, yahoo ! Thanks to all who responded, its good to be with other sailors!!!
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