Rigging & Mast (Urgent Question)

artboas · Jul 23, 2014

This won't be inexpensive

TriSwiss said:
I'm interested in purchasing a 1998 Hunter 376 - The biggest issue is that it will need complete rigging, mast and sails.

Does anyone know where I can find a replacement mast? How about picking up secondhand rigging and sales.

I have to make a decision by Saturday if I'm going to make and offer for this boat. I reached out to a few companies - they told me to budget $10K for the mast alone.

Here is the reply form the spar shop manager. "I would estimate $10,000 for a mast assuming this is a conventional mast not roller furling. I would estimate another $2000 for the boom and maybe $2500 for the standing rigging . There are many different brands of wheels but I would budget another $900 for a 42" wheel. Of course this could just scratch the surface i.e. sails, running rigging , furling system, lifelines etc."

I'm happy to find secondhand - but don't know where to look.

Any ideas?

I would think it will be next to impossible to find a used rig.
Please appreciate that the rigs are an integral part of the boat design, so unless you put in the exact replacement spar, the boat will not sail as originally designed.
A full set of 376 sails is easily $4k for good quality stuff.
And 12k for mast & boom would be about right.

You really need to know what else is right or wrong with the boat. This could end up being a very expensive fixer upper.
Why not look at the pricing for used ones (with rigs on them), and crunch some numbers?
Personally, I'd not take on such an expensive repair, without knowing everything else on the yacht history
Good luck.

Phil Herring · Jul 23, 2014

$10-12 for a rig may be a little low, and don't forget to estimate shipping. Depending on how much time you have (or don't) that can run another $1-2k.

When boats get totalled rigs are often one the first thing to go, so it will be almost impossible to find one used. There is no used market that I know of in standing or running rigging.

Also, be sure to find out how the boat lost its rig. Whatever happened could have caused other damage.

BrianW · Jul 23, 2014

At the boatyard I'm currently using, an owner of a Cheoy Lee 36 was quoted $17K for a new mast, standing and running rigging.BrianW

Bill Roosa · Jul 24, 2014

walk away, too many unknowns!
OR
barter the owner till he is crying, begging you to take it and he will pay you to do so.

Jackdaw · Jul 24, 2014

Walk. With all respect, you don't know enough about what's going on to make a safe decision. You'll likely get burned.

Crazy Dave Condon · Jul 24, 2014

Jackdaw and Phil said it all. Probably Selden Masts probably built that mast but not sure. Prior to that it was an issue due to a fiasco of Z Spar purchasing another company and moving which is why Selden came on board with Hunter. I would walk away for two reasons. First, replacement of mast, rigging, sails and labor will be in excess of $20,000 when all said and done. Secondly, why is the boat missing everything which would make me question that boat more and trust me as a former dealer I saw a lot and would urge you to follow Jackdaw's advice. If not and you are bent bound and determined, I would urge you to have a marine survey done and before doing that, prove ownership.

trainmanjess · Jul 24, 2014

hello all

found this on E-bay

A stout cruising rig from a Morgan 382. Mast length is 52'4". Mast cross section approx. 8.5"x 5.5". Hood roller furling has some corrosion on one lower extrusion piece, 2nd extrusion piece up has a slight kink in it. Some scrathes in upper extrusion. Standing rigging included. Spreaders included but have been repaired/welded. Masthead tricolor and anchor light. Two mast winches operational.

priced at $1,800

sincerely
Jess

Sanman · Jul 24, 2014

You can buy a GOOD used, Complete boat for close to what you will spend just redoing the rig on the boat you are looking at. and while I personally like Hunters, and have owned 3 plus a good bit of sea time on several more, they are still just mid range production boats. Jackdaw and Phil are right. Just keep looking, the right boat will find its way to you.

Unless, of course, you are a masochist and just enjoy burning hundred dollar bills while sitting in a boatyard watching a big chunk of fiberglass and aluminum eat your life.

Steve Dion · Jul 24, 2014

I really do not think it is going to be that easy. These boats did not have a back stay and they only have a single attachment for the shrouds. You can get replacement standing rigging for less than $2k, no problem with the running rigging, but you have a major issue with the mast and boom.

You can probably purchase one of these boats for $60k-80k in so-so condition so you should do your homework.

Don't forget that not too many buyers are interested in buying a boat with a modified rig so your resale may be questionable.

Your money, your choice!

Crazy Dave Condon · Jul 25, 2014

Second that Steve.

Levin · Jul 25, 2014

The discussion so far:

TriSwiss: So I'm going to do this thing and I'm not sure I should, but can someone help me figure out how to do it cheaply?

Everyone: Don't do it! You'll shoot your eye out!

TriSwiss: You all make a really good point... It probably will end bad. So, really, can someone help me do it cheaply?

...when someone really wants to do something it is hard to talk them out of it. I know as well as anyone... the chorus of no's only wants to make me do it more.

Take care,
-Levin

Chasemixon · Jul 25, 2014

I think I saw that boat on eBay the 376... I also was concerned about no mast and boom. But since I lack the skills and money I had to keep scrolling..

I say good luck! It's the one in Louisiana? Correct?

Chasemixon · Jul 26, 2014

Yea, that's what scared me about it... I wish I had the time and skill to do stuff like that... Did you see the trimaran on there? 4 bedroom? that would be an awesome project...

Sanman · Jul 26, 2014

--- I do have some experience picking up a "project" boat and turing it around. I completely refitted a Beneteau 40 in 2005 that I sunk $20k into and turned around and sold it for a decent profit in the South of France.

I've spent the better part of a year researching boats, in particular the Hunter - I've also discussed the pitfalls with a couple of people (i.e. Brian3820) that have completely gutted and refitted their Hunters.

More than anything, I like a CHALLENGE.----

Well in that case, Go for it!

Sparman USA · Sep 11, 2014

Re: Rig Dimensions & Background

Hi, Did you ever get a mast? if not be very careful, I have been making spars for 30 years and its not a mater of finding one the right length, in fact the the least of the problems. Its all about inertia and stiffness, you MUST get the right mast that will work under the load your boat will put on it....Cheers, Shout if you need any help. We have used masts if you are still looking.

Crazy Dave Condon · Sep 12, 2014

For the record, any advice from Sparman is greatly appreciated as he knows spars. I have known this fellow to be a professional and well versed from the day I first met him.

artboas · Sep 13, 2014

Why are you doing this?

TriSwiss said:
Yes, that's the one - It looks pretty rough and has been sitting in a barn for several years now.

What turns me on about this boat is that its already gutted - meaning I can layout my own design without the worry of replacing the stringers and bulkheads - or having much fiberglass work.

I've spent pretty much a year researching various floor plans and think I can improve the layout and space - thus making my own boat.

A boat with no spar, rigging, sails, and neglected interior has a negative net value., ie it is worth less than zero.

But, if this project appeals to you, and you want to pour in the dough...
Good luck to you

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