Replacing Passage 42 lower rudder bearing.

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Jul 25, 2004
362
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
This is just an informational posting for you P42 owners. I have a 1991 model Passage 42 (hull 65) on which I just replaced the lower rudder bearing. The boat had 50,000 miles on it, and the lower bearing had so much play that it was quite noisy as the rudder shaft moved from side to side of the bearing when going downwind or surfing. It turned out that it had about 2 mm of play. But the biggest surprise was that the bearing had come loose in the rudder shaft housing and was rotating with the rudder shaft in the housing, rather than remaining stationery with the shaft turning inside it.

Removing the rudder took a day of digging a hole deep enough in the boatyard tarmac (the rudder bottom was 36” above the tarmac, and the hole was just deep enough at 49”). After dropping the rudder we chiseled out the remaining bearing. The drawings Hunter provided were useless, as they indicated a 6 inch shaft, and our 1991 model has a 3.5 inch shaft. (Hunter doesn’t possess the older drawings). We had a bearing custom made by a machinist/engineer at the boatyard in Opua, New Zealand. It turned out that the shaft housing was not perfectly round inside, so the bearing had to be shaved and custom fit into the housing. The old bearing only had horizontal parallel lines on the outside of it, which permitted it to rotate along with the rudder shaft. The replacement has vertical lines as well, and the epoxy fill went into both the horizontal and vertical fills.

We used the same UHMW material as the upper bearing (which was still tight), and all went well. The lower bearing had to be cut out from under the hull, but the cutout was small, and easily fixed with a laminate collar which was then glassed into the hull, and then feathered along the perimeter of it to make it all smooth. The bearing cost $730 NZD (about $560 USD—the same price quoted to me by a US manufacturer), and took the machinist about 7 hours to manufacture and fit.

We took the opportunity to dye the rudder shaft to check for cracks and imperfections on it, and all was well. There were, as usual, small stress cracks around the rudder shaft base where it is supported by the hull cross-members. I had a boatbuilder inspect it, and he pronounced it cosmetic only, and gave the entire repair a “thumbs up.”

The rudder is now tight and all is well.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,193
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Thanks, Paul...

...that ought to be the same as a 40.5, so it's very good information to have!

Let's see, you are just entering summer if I recall. So, what are your cruising plans?
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,184
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Paul,

Do you have any pictures? I also have a 40.5 (1997), and in 2002 I noticed that I have had about 2mm of play in the lower bearing. The play has not increased since then (I check it each year) and the Hunter factory and two Hunter dealers claim that the play is acceptable. They also say that some boats have this much play and others do not have it.
 
Jul 25, 2004
362
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
rudder bearing play

Paul,

Do you have any pictures? I also have a 40.5 (1997), and in 2002 I noticed that I have had about 2mm of play in the lower bearing. The play has not increased since then (I check it each year) and the Hunter factory and two Hunter dealers claim that the play is acceptable. They also say that some boats have this much play and others do not have it.
Hi Rich,

I do have some photos, but they wouldn't be of any help with your issue; just for showing what you have to do if you decide to do the job. I'll figure out soon how to post them.

The guys I dealt with said that one mm of play was totally acceptable, and they'd not replace for that amount of play. We didn't discuss 2mm. But with an improperly rotating bearing, they said it HAD to be addressed, regardless of the amount of play. My feeling from talking to them was that since it was a hard plastic bearing, and didn't have needle bearings or similar hardware involved, that the play wasn't a big issue. I think the knocking I was experiencing was due to the bearing itself hitting against the rudder post housing. Not a good thing.
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,184
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Thanks, Paul. Posting pictures here is really easy- just click "Go Advanced" and you can upload the pictures at the bottom. It's best to reduce the picture size to about 640x480 in order to meet the jpg size limits.
 
Jul 25, 2004
362
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
Photos of replacing P42 lower rudder bearing

Here are some photos I took of the job. The first ones show the old rudder bearing in place. I chipped away at the fiberglass just a bit to show the overhang over the bearing. The rudder shaft photo shows where the bearing was stuck on the shaft and rotated along with it. The photos of the rudder shaft housing show the parallel lines of the epoxy where it originally affixed the bearing to the housing. The photos also show that the housing is neither round nor well filled with fiberglass; significant voids existed. Two of the photos showed how we screwed a piece of wood over the rudder hole and used a hole saw to drill out the fiberglass from under the bearing. Finally a photo shows the laminate piece we glassed into place under the bearing after the bearing was epoxied into place in the housing. The last task was to glass over the laminate and then paint over it all.

Cheers,
Paul
 

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Feb 10, 2004
4,184
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Excellent, Paul. I will file this info away in the event I ever need it.

Good post!
 
May 9, 2011
70
Hunter 1994 40.5 Ponce Inlet FL
Agreed!
Sorry you had to do all of that work, but great info for us all!

May I ask the method of measuring play? Hopefully where the rudder meets the hull?

Great pics thanks!
 
Jul 25, 2004
362
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
Agreed!
Sorry you had to do all of that work, but great info for us all!

May I ask the method of measuring play? Hopefully where the rudder meets the hull?

Great pics thanks!
The play was first estimated by the machinist/engineer when he manipulated the rudder while the boat was on the hard. Then by trying to use a caliper while the rudder was attached. Then he measured it at the bottom of the rudder bearing and at the rudder shaft with a vernier caliper after the rudder was dropped. Sorry I didn't ask him for the exact measurements, but things got shuffled in all the excitement!
 
Dec 30, 2010
36
Hunter Passage 42 Toronto
Hi Paul .

Great information, just a few things . How thick was the hull in that area? And do you think you had any water inside your rudder? Also, did you find any blisters (osmosis) around the area you repaired ?

Thanks , great job. Regards
 
Jul 25, 2004
362
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
Hi Paul .

Great information, just a few things . How thick was the hull in that area? And do you think you had any water inside your rudder? Also, did you find any blisters (osmosis) around the area you repaired ?

Thanks , great job. Regards
Sorry, I didn't measure the hull thickness. Should have. The best info will come from the photo. I know there was no water in the rudder, and I have never had that problem, even after grounding a hole in the bottom of it twice. No blisters around the area of the repair, and I have never had any on any other part of the hull, either. Regards,
Paul.
 
Dec 30, 2010
36
Hunter Passage 42 Toronto
Thanks for the info Paul.

Wow nice to hear no blisters, even with all your time in the water. Funny how nobody mentions that on any of the Hunter bashing forums.

Not even talking about your dry rudder. :)

Regards
 
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