Relocation, Buying & Selling

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Jim Gilmore

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Woww ... such emotion over two really terrific boats ... Catalina must be loving it as their sells climb sky-high. I personally chose the 310 for what it's marketed for. The kids are gone and it's just the wife and I ... although we love to cruise with others ... just on separate boats. It's open and roomy below for a couple (don't need heavy duty doors
 
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Peter Clancy

Great Idea! Boat Show Showdown!

Phil Herring has a good solution. Go to the boat show, look carefully at both boats side by side, then make a convincing argument that the C310 has anything close to the interior volume of the C320. In fact, get 6-8 bystanders to get into each boat's cabin area and make themselves comfortable. Compare the result. Enough said!
 
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Jon W

I'm Baaack

Due to the 6, plus Phil, responses since I signed off, I want to clarify three points I was trying to make. I hope this discussion doesn't go circular and start over. LOL My impression of illusion of space (on the C320), that I referred to, was that the seating and cooking areas are larger than the C310, no question about it. But as you looked forward and aft you see bulkheads with doors, leading to other areas of a size you can't fully see, but in fact aren't that large. To illustrate by carrying it to the extreme, what if the doors were closed, and didn't have any space on the other side at all? Wouldn't a person sitting below, be led to believe the boat was larger than it really was? The C310 doesn't use this method, but rather uses an open approach to let you see more space. Both methods are design tricks. Also, as far as calculating space, I don't use volume measurements. Has anyone heard of comparing the size of houses by cubic feet? Actually, for the below decks seating area, I just counted how many people I felt could sit in each boat. Five in the C310 and seven in the C320 in my opinion. My opinion also is that the C320 has a visibly larger central area, but the boat itself is only marginally larger than the C310 and really wasn’t a factor in our choice. And as for personal preferences, since it's just my wife and myself over nighting 98% of the time, I only need one door on a boat. That would be on the head compartment since we don't close any other door. Also I don't view the C310 as a different class of boat in any case, and especially because it has one less door than the C320. It is of a slightly different interior design concept though, which again, because there are just two of us, it doesn't make sense to divide the boat into a two sleeping cabin layout. It would just make the storeroom (2nd cabin) less convenient. And on the subject of size of the head compartment, I understand that some may feel that a smaller one is fine for a few minuets a day, but there are some 300 pound ex football linemen that have to go too. Thankfully I'm not one of them, but my brother in-law is! (He still owes me for a broken head on my last boat). For him it's not a question of how much time he spends in there, but whether he can move in there at all. Now, I spend a lot of time in there according to my wife, but that's a whole 'nother story. Just to summarize, there were a lot of details to consider, but I agree that for us it was essentially a decision to either go with the larger seating and galley area of the C320, or the nice forward cabin and head of the C310. It was not an easy decision to make, but it was based on the way we use a boat. I did attend a boat show in January, and went back and forth between the C310 and C320 dozens of times. I sat in every conceivable position. I went through the motions of various activities. And I drove the sales people crazy. I have to hand it to anyone who thinks this is an easy choice. I also understand that others use their boats differently, and so feel that other things in a boat are important, where as we do not. That’s probably one of the reasons that Catalina can sell so many different models that are not that much different in size. BTW, has anyone else heard the unsubstantiated rumor as I did, that the C310 is intended as a replacement for both the C30 as well as the C320?
 
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Kurt

Thanks Jon for the voice of reason

BTW; I hope no one is taking this very good-natured debate too seriously. It's all in good fun you know. No offense intended (Stan)to any of my arguments. Jeez, have a sense of humor. As I stated earlier both the 310 and 320 are excellent craft. How can you go wrong with either one? They are absolutley beautiful! But Jon is right, who has ever heard of deciding on buying a house or boat based on its CUBIC feet. SQUARE feet are all that really matter. Just because my bedroom has a cathedral ceiling vs. my neighbors conventional 9ft. ceiling doesn't mean I can sleep more people in my house. The same LOGIC (inductive logic vs. deductive MATH logic--I confess, I'm a philospher, not a mathetmatician)applies to the 320/310 argument. Cubic feet, schmubic feet, how are you going to really USE the boat? That's the issue. How many butts can you get into the settee in the salon? About one or two more in the 320. How many 6"ft adults can you comfortably sleep? At least two more in the 310, since both berths are queen size (the quarter berth is actually closer to king size). This isn't even a contest. A crawled on and off every catalina Boat at the last four boat shows and doidn't find any boat in their line below 42ft that had has much comfortable sleeping space in the forward and quaret berths. Can you use the head and shower comfortably? More so on the 310. Which galley is "better"? Probably a toss up but the edge goes to the 320. Which one can you watch TV on comfortably? The 310. Where do you even put a TV on the 320? (Maybe that's not important to you, so it doesn't matter. But to me it is--especially with two young children on board who I might have to send below during stormy weather.) So that's what it boils down to. Choose from the above pros and cons list and make your choice.You can't go wrong. And that's why the 310 is perfect for us and not for someone else. How many times do I anticipate having more than four adults and two kids on board for anything other than a day sail? Probably never. It's not a party boat for me. It's a get away for my family. So, I don't need the extra salon space to seat those five or six extra big beefy guys other people seem to want to invite on board (even if you have to stack them up in order to get them on board the extra CUBIC feet the 320 affords). However, I am going to spend weekends and vacations on board so sleeping space, head space and TV are important to me. The more open design of the 310 (which by the way is ventilated better than the 320) is alos important. But that's just me. There's plenty of reason to go with the 320 as well. But for any of you out there considering the two, don't be fooled into thinking that the 320 is appreciably larger. It's just laid out differently. In fact, the old 30MKIII is not too dissimilar either. And that boat was a real classic! Kurt And I agree with the Jon that some of the 320's largeness is an illusion in the way he's described it. Once you leave the salon, it's a "smaller" boat than it first appears. And lastly, as to resale value. Even if you couldn't rely on Boat Of The Year honors driving resale value of the 310, what Catalina boat doesn't fair well in the resale market? And, last time I checked, it was almost impossible to get a hold of a 310 because backed up order and demand are so great. 320's, on the other hand, are quite easy to come by. So, which boat is going to me "more popular" in the long run? Hard to say, for sure. But there's no way the 310 is not going to be a classic.
 
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Bob Robeson

Boy, this has been fun!

This has got to be one of the best debates I have ever watched. Thanks It has been fun!
 
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Brad Elbein

But actually my question was ...

But actually my question was ... what's the right way to figure out whether to hold the boat and move it, or sell it and buy another? (I appreciate the stuff on the 310 and 320, and if the consensus is to sell and buy another, it may come in handy). But I'm not there yet. Have any of you made this choice?
 
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Bob Robeson

relocating part 2

We sold our boat n Portland Or. and bought a used one in San Diego and had it shipped to Portland. It was a hudge hassle a the cost turned out to be quite high. The cost to demast, ship and recommision was nothing compaired to all the money we had to spend to get it recommisioned. Once the standing rigging is in use for years, it is hard to disasymble and reasysmble so anything and everything that could go wrong did. New anteana, new standing rigging, new halyards, and more. I think I will buy local next time or has it sailed not trucked. Good luck Bob
 
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Gary Jensen

boat moving

Let me add one more opinion on boat purchasing and relocating. For me it worked! I got a deal in Flordia on a 1998 Catalina 380. I had to decomission it myself, with NO support system and never having done it before. I did it in two days totally!!! I then called a trucking outfit in to move it to Ca..Prices varied from $6400 to $9800. I took the cheapest and insured the boat fully. I recommissioned here in Ca. for $800 (total) that included adding a spinnaker block and a few other items.That was yard charges--everything! Bottom line, I got the boat I wanted, and saved a bundel roughly $60,000 WHEW!!! thats a lot. Sure I got a deal, but the deals are out there. I was in the right place at the right time for the boat----and the dealer was fantastic (BLUE
 
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