My Doyle main sail came with one set of reefing points. When I had Sail Care clean my main this year (great job) we had them add another set. Anyone else find the need to double reef from time to time? Trying to figure out how to rig them back to the cockpit now. "Festivity" H26
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Ken Shubert
No Jiffy Reef?
My '93 H23.5 has the old Spars mast & boom with 3 lines in the boom. I guess the third one is for a second jiffy reef but I've never gotten the second reefing point sewn in yet. Every time I get caught 'over-sailed' I vow to get it done but then the wind goes down. A second reef with a storm jib will set you up for quite a blow. You may have to take in the second reef the hard way but it's still nice insurance. Ken S/V Wouff Hong
My '93 H23.5 has the old Spars mast & boom with 3 lines in the boom. I guess the third one is for a second jiffy reef but I've never gotten the second reefing point sewn in yet. Every time I get caught 'over-sailed' I vow to get it done but then the wind goes down. A second reef with a storm jib will set you up for quite a blow. You may have to take in the second reef the hard way but it's still nice insurance. Ken S/V Wouff Hong
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Mark Kissel
Good move...
...in my opinion. To answer your question, yes, I have considered adding another reefing point on my 240. Like Ken, it's one of those things that I keep saying I'll do, then the wind dies down. On the 240, there are three cams/sheaves in the boom; outhaul, jiffy reef, and topping lift. I am considering adding a boomkicker which would free up the one for the topping lift and could then be used for a second reefing line. Mark Kissel Kittiwake/98H240
...in my opinion. To answer your question, yes, I have considered adding another reefing point on my 240. Like Ken, it's one of those things that I keep saying I'll do, then the wind dies down. On the 240, there are three cams/sheaves in the boom; outhaul, jiffy reef, and topping lift. I am considering adding a boomkicker which would free up the one for the topping lift and could then be used for a second reefing line. Mark Kissel Kittiwake/98H240
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Jerry Gerber
Go for it - you won't regret it.
I had a second set of reef points put in last year. It really helps a lot. It makes for a much more comfortable ride. It is especially helpful when you have a nervous wife who doesn't like the boat to heel very much.
I had a second set of reef points put in last year. It really helps a lot. It makes for a much more comfortable ride. It is especially helpful when you have a nervous wife who doesn't like the boat to heel very much.
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Dave
Reef Points
Jeff, I also had my sailmaker add a second reef point. While he was at it, I had him put in a flat reef. Some argue a flat reef isn't worth it, but they probably never sailed with one. The reef point I added should be standard equipment by Hunter. IT definately makes the boat more manageable without loosing 75% of your main sail area. I put the flat reef in at 10-15 knots, the first reef at 15-20 knots, and the second reef at 20-25 knots. Dave dkukucka@aol.com
Jeff, I also had my sailmaker add a second reef point. While he was at it, I had him put in a flat reef. Some argue a flat reef isn't worth it, but they probably never sailed with one. The reef point I added should be standard equipment by Hunter. IT definately makes the boat more manageable without loosing 75% of your main sail area. I put the flat reef in at 10-15 knots, the first reef at 15-20 knots, and the second reef at 20-25 knots. Dave dkukucka@aol.com
To Dave K...what's a "flat reef"
You definitely have me curious, as I have never seen the term before...but then again there are still lots of terms that I have never seen before! Also, bear in mind that reefing, in addition to reducing sail area (and thus the force on the rig), also lowers the distance above the waterline where the force on the sails is applied (the center of effort). This reduction in lever arm also reduces the heeling moment, so the boat heels less. Peter S/V Raven
You definitely have me curious, as I have never seen the term before...but then again there are still lots of terms that I have never seen before! Also, bear in mind that reefing, in addition to reducing sail area (and thus the force on the rig), also lowers the distance above the waterline where the force on the sails is applied (the center of effort). This reduction in lever arm also reduces the heeling moment, so the boat heels less. Peter S/V Raven
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Been there
Flattening reef
Many sails have a reef grommet on the leech just above the clew, about one third to half-way up to the first true reef point. There is no corresponding luff cringle. It depowers the sail more by reducing the camber than by reducing sail area.
Many sails have a reef grommet on the leech just above the clew, about one third to half-way up to the first true reef point. There is no corresponding luff cringle. It depowers the sail more by reducing the camber than by reducing sail area.
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Jim Kolstoe
"flat reef" = cunningham"?
Dave K., Are you talking about a cunningham, which allows you to tighten the mainsail luff without disturbing the halyard? It flattens the main by pulling fabric forward, thereby reducing the depth of chamber and moving the point of deepest chamber forward. I've also never heard of a flat reef point as you describe it. Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
Dave K., Are you talking about a cunningham, which allows you to tighten the mainsail luff without disturbing the halyard? It flattens the main by pulling fabric forward, thereby reducing the depth of chamber and moving the point of deepest chamber forward. I've also never heard of a flat reef point as you describe it. Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
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George Henry
Single line reefing
I also had a second reef point installed by Sail Care when I had the sails cleaned. Installed single line reefing system on both reef points to ease my mates nerves. She will actually go out in 20 knot winds now without any speeches on danger, stupidity etc. Works very well although it adds time to set up and tear down. We moor but take one or two road trips a year. Made a storm jib with a sleeve from Sailrite this year, but haven't had a chance to use it yet. After a wild day on Lake Michigan last year the second reef point can be moot if the head sail is reduced to small. The angle the halyard intersects the rolled sail changes and the sail will flog, to stop it you have to fall further off the wind. Soon you are sailing port to starboard and hardly make any headway. The post on a loose a head stay has me wondering if checking rig tension will allow better pointing to the wind in adverse conditions.
I also had a second reef point installed by Sail Care when I had the sails cleaned. Installed single line reefing system on both reef points to ease my mates nerves. She will actually go out in 20 knot winds now without any speeches on danger, stupidity etc. Works very well although it adds time to set up and tear down. We moor but take one or two road trips a year. Made a storm jib with a sleeve from Sailrite this year, but haven't had a chance to use it yet. After a wild day on Lake Michigan last year the second reef point can be moot if the head sail is reduced to small. The angle the halyard intersects the rolled sail changes and the sail will flog, to stop it you have to fall further off the wind. Soon you are sailing port to starboard and hardly make any headway. The post on a loose a head stay has me wondering if checking rig tension will allow better pointing to the wind in adverse conditions.
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Thome Inn
Reef points discussion
I ripped out both reef point panels sailing in 40 mph winds. While having the sail repaired I asked about another set of reef points. The sailmaker discouraged it saying the one set of reef points was already high up the sail. His advice was twofold. Don't tie your reef points so tightly, and ---- don't sail when the winds are 40mph.
I ripped out both reef point panels sailing in 40 mph winds. While having the sail repaired I asked about another set of reef points. The sailmaker discouraged it saying the one set of reef points was already high up the sail. His advice was twofold. Don't tie your reef points so tightly, and ---- don't sail when the winds are 40mph.
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Darrel Richards
Flattening Reef
A good purchase back stay adjuster works the same way. Its amasing how you can depower the main with this method. However, when you hace a steady blow, there is nothing quite like a good jiffy reefing system to reduce the siz of the sail.
A good purchase back stay adjuster works the same way. Its amasing how you can depower the main with this method. However, when you hace a steady blow, there is nothing quite like a good jiffy reefing system to reduce the siz of the sail.
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