Hey guys. I just bought a 1997 26 and have sailed it twice. On Sat. the wind was hitting 25MPH with gusts to 30. Needless to day, I had to reef down. Only problem was that when I went to clip the luff of the main into the ramshead, there was only a webbing on the port side of the luff, now cringle. The manual shows and discribes a cringle. The sail is a Doyle. Anyone else have this sort of deal? What have you done to use the webbing? I've thought about putting a small block of some sort or a shackle of some kind.
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There should be a D-ring
The reefing cringle and the webbing are both common attachment points for "jiffy" reefing the mainsail, but the webbing should have a "D" shaped ring in it to go over the ramshead. If the D-ring is missing, a suitable sized shackle should be a good substitute.
The reefing cringle and the webbing are both common attachment points for "jiffy" reefing the mainsail, but the webbing should have a "D" shaped ring in it to go over the ramshead. If the D-ring is missing, a suitable sized shackle should be a good substitute.
one webbing
I have a 96 H26 with doyle sails and I believe they are made with only one webbing hook (on the starboard side I believe) I am guessing that when they came up with the rams head Idea at engineering, they had not picked a sailmaker yet. Dave Oberholtzer Hydrotherapy
I have a 96 H26 with doyle sails and I believe they are made with only one webbing hook (on the starboard side I believe) I am guessing that when they came up with the rams head Idea at engineering, they had not picked a sailmaker yet. Dave Oberholtzer Hydrotherapy
No shackle needed.
I have the same setup on my 240. Just hook the webbing strap over the horn on the ramshead. Mark Kissel Kittiwake/98H240
I have the same setup on my 240. Just hook the webbing strap over the horn on the ramshead. Mark Kissel Kittiwake/98H240
Same here
Yeah, what the other Mark said. I have just a webring that hooks over the ramshead. Works great. And, though I'm not near the owner's manual, I think that it actually describes the webring rather than a D-ring now.
Yeah, what the other Mark said. I have just a webring that hooks over the ramshead. Works great. And, though I'm not near the owner's manual, I think that it actually describes the webring rather than a D-ring now.
Wind Loads on Sail
It's interesting that some of the new sails come only with webbing. My sails came with D-rings for reef points and O-rings on the head and tack of the jib, but when it came time to replace the sails I asked the sailmaker to just use webbing. Also, I'd like to put a plug in for reefing early to protect the sails. The original sails on our '88 H-35 were replaced in '98 due to excessive draft at a cost of over $5K. This wouldn't have been necessary if I would have reefed earlier. When the sails were new we often sailed with a full main in the low 20 apparent and it wasn't too difficult. As the years went on the draft of the main and the jib gradually increased and the heel angle also increased in the same wind strength. Eventually the first reef started to be put in increasingly earlier, 18 knots, 15 knots, and sometimes even as low as 12 knots apparent (going to weather). OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) sails are not necessarily made of the best fabrics as suppliers are selected probably on a low bid basis, consequently one gets whatever is the minimum. When the sails were removed for winter storage they were taken to one of the local lofts for repair, not the same one every time, and the sailmaker often commented on how stretchy the fabric was. My new sails are made with the next weight heavier cloth, they are heavier, more difficult to flake, take more strenth to hoist, but have a beautiful shape, and hopefully will be the last set of sails I'll have to buy.
It's interesting that some of the new sails come only with webbing. My sails came with D-rings for reef points and O-rings on the head and tack of the jib, but when it came time to replace the sails I asked the sailmaker to just use webbing. Also, I'd like to put a plug in for reefing early to protect the sails. The original sails on our '88 H-35 were replaced in '98 due to excessive draft at a cost of over $5K. This wouldn't have been necessary if I would have reefed earlier. When the sails were new we often sailed with a full main in the low 20 apparent and it wasn't too difficult. As the years went on the draft of the main and the jib gradually increased and the heel angle also increased in the same wind strength. Eventually the first reef started to be put in increasingly earlier, 18 knots, 15 knots, and sometimes even as low as 12 knots apparent (going to weather). OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) sails are not necessarily made of the best fabrics as suppliers are selected probably on a low bid basis, consequently one gets whatever is the minimum. When the sails were removed for winter storage they were taken to one of the local lofts for repair, not the same one every time, and the sailmaker often commented on how stretchy the fabric was. My new sails are made with the next weight heavier cloth, they are heavier, more difficult to flake, take more strenth to hoist, but have a beautiful shape, and hopefully will be the last set of sails I'll have to buy.
Good point John, but...
...you probably won't find any of us water ballast sailors without a reef at 20! Mark Kissel Kittiwake/98H240
...you probably won't find any of us water ballast sailors without a reef at 20! Mark Kissel Kittiwake/98H240
I was wrong
Earlier, I said my owners manual didn't say "reefing cringle". It sure enough does. Just don't tell my wife. She thinks I'm never wrong. No... wait... she thinks I think I'm never wrong. I ask her how that can be when she always points out the things I'm wrong about.
Earlier, I said my owners manual didn't say "reefing cringle". It sure enough does. Just don't tell my wife. She thinks I'm never wrong. No... wait... she thinks I think I'm never wrong. I ask her how that can be when she always points out the things I'm wrong about.
Clew line...
Just thought I'd ask everyone how tight do you guys try to get the clew line (outhaul) when you reef? Seems that if you have a double reefable sail that, at the first reef, the outhaul line angles up somewhat. The second reef angles up even more. Also, do you let the sail fall off on one side of the boom in order to get the luff tack on the ramshorn or do you try to flake it? Thanks. Tom
Just thought I'd ask everyone how tight do you guys try to get the clew line (outhaul) when you reef? Seems that if you have a double reefable sail that, at the first reef, the outhaul line angles up somewhat. The second reef angles up even more. Also, do you let the sail fall off on one side of the boom in order to get the luff tack on the ramshorn or do you try to flake it? Thanks. Tom
No, but maybe they're sisters
By the way, I was reading through the owners manual this weekend (out of boredom while waiting for my wife to get ready to go sailing) and happened through the definitions section. Under "cringle" it gives two definitions and one of them says something to the effect of a small web ring.
By the way, I was reading through the owners manual this weekend (out of boredom while waiting for my wife to get ready to go sailing) and happened through the definitions section. Under "cringle" it gives two definitions and one of them says something to the effect of a small web ring.
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