rebuild head or replace head

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mokker

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Oct 9, 2008
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Ericson 30+ Panama
Hello,

Just last month I bought my first sailboat. I am new to sailing and everything around it.

The boat had been sitting on the hard for over 1 year in dank humidity on the Caribbean side of Panama. The owner told me that one of the problems i will definitely have is with the head and its surrounding systems. So I have been prepared for it. When I bought her, I also inherited a full holding tank which I was unable to empty because the holding tank pump was broken due to non use. I have since taken that apart and fixed it and now my holding tank has been emptied. (Side note: There are NO pump out stations in Panama - they don't exist unfortunately)

Right now I am in the midst of trying to fix my head problem. I currently have a Groco HF head which looks quite old but that doesn't say much. The pump seems like it isn't getting any air thru, and it seems to be backflushing from the holding tank. I've read on other postings that it probably has some issues with the seals. With that said I've learned that rebuilding it with the HF master service kit will probably fix it however I'm tempted to replace the whole thing because it is quite old and looks icky as such. Other people suggest just taking it apart and lubbing or cleaning the seals. I believe the previous owner installed the head in 1999 and has told me he has had to rebuild it numerous times.

Now, my other option is to buy a whole new head. A retail store nearby has a Jabsco Twist’n’Lock Compact Manual Head which looks like it will do the job. Being in Panama my options for retail stores are slim and this is the only one I can find. It is also not much more expensive than buying the replacement kit for the Groco HF and furthermore I can get it immediately. To buy the master service kit I will need to order it from the states which will take 2 weeks and costs $100 + shipping. This sounds like a lot better idea because I get a brand new head and I can install it right away for $200! For the price difference i think it makes sense to get a whole new one.

On the other hand, my slip neighbor tells me that Jabsco makes a bad head and he tells me that the Groco HF i already have is "standard" and to stick with it. His opinion has made me think twice which has driven me to write this post. I am learning everyone has their own opinions but thought I should run this by you guys. Also I am unsure but it looks as though that this Jabsco model head is a new model as I cannot find any reviews of it. This can be a good or a bad I suppose. Does anyone have any experience with this new jabsco model head? (jabsco model 29090-3000)

I recognize that one of my only issues with switching heads is that the sanitation hoses might not be in the same places and thus might not reach. I am also being told I may want to change the hoses -- although they look really good from the outside :) -- Although as I am being told, on the inside it might be a totally different story. This is a whole other issue I will need to deal with maybe at a later time.

I appreciate any advice I can get.

Cheers
--Paul
 
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BillRoosa9147

heads

The hoses will probably not need re-routing as most of the heads are similarly plumbed. You can check the hoses with a CLEAN rag. Wipe the hose and smell the rag. If you smell bad stuff the hose is on its way out.
I own a twist and lock and have not had any trouble with Jabsco products. I can't attest for thier avalability world wide but they are avalable on the east coast of the US.

A rebuild kit for the Jabsco is only around $60 so you might see some long term savings as all heads need to get rebuilt every few years.
 
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Dan

I rebuilt the Groco

I too suffered head failiure. A clean well functioning head is essential to keeping wife happy and willing to sail. So I rebuilt the Groco. the kit cost about $100. The next year the head again failied in it's performance. So I tossed the old unit and got a Raritan II. This is a main battle tank. The joker valve has 4 times the rubber of the previous supplier. The rebuild kit is about one third of the cost of new head. After a year of service, the Raritan has performed very well. I would suggest replacment with the Raritan.
 

Bob V

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Mar 13, 2008
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Catalina 42mkII Lagoon Point
If you install the Jabsco

It should last long enough to order a Raritan PHII.

Had several Jabscos now have Raritan PHC (compact), never going back.
 
Dec 2, 1997
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My advice:

The anticipated lifespan of the Groco HF is 9-11 years IF it's scrupulously maintained...yours is at the end of that time frame. So I wouldn't put any money into it...replace it.

If you MUST have a working head RIGHT NOW, buy the Jabsco...it should last you a couple of years. When it needs more than lubrication, don't put any money into it...replace it with a Raritan PH II--or, if space is tight, the PHC, which is the same pump but on a compact base and has a shorter handle to fit in the same space a compact. It costs about $300, but worth it...consistently rated the best manual toilet under $500 on the market anywhere for at least two decades. Raritan PH II

Since this is your first boat, you might want to check out the link in my signature...it goes to a comprehensive "marine toilets and holding tanks 101" manual that'll help you learn how to operate and maintain your system to prevent 99% of problems, which is a lot easier than fixing 'em.
 
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