For the three years that I have owned my 336 I have been staring at two lines that are led back to the cockpit: 1. The Jib Halyard 2. The other end of the main sheet. I have never touched either line from the cockpit except to rig and un-rig them in May and October. On the other hand, I am constantly going forward to adjust the topping lift. And, I am constantly cussing at my single-line reefing system. I'm thinking about doing this: 1. Cleat the jib halyard at the mast where the topping lift is cleated today. I'll have to figure out a way to get it nice and tight. 2. Install a cleat or clutch on the boom or mast to hold the dead end of the mainsheet. 3. Run the topping lift down to the base of the mast and back through the clutch to the cockpit. 4. Set up the first reef point as a double-line system having a separate line for the leech cringle and luff cringle, with both lines run back to the cockpit. Can anyone think of reasons why this is a bad idea? Has anyone else done it? Paul s/v Escape Artist Clinton, CT
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Just add double clutches in the cockpit.
Paul: First of all it is hard to believe that someone 'never' touches their main sheet. But you be the boss and you know your boat. If you are going to be added stoppers, why not just add a double sheet stopper to the cabin top and they will all be in the cockpit. If you will have additional lines that need to go through an organizer, they make double stacked ones for 4, 6 and 8 lines. They are cheap if you get a Garhauer.
Paul: First of all it is hard to believe that someone 'never' touches their main sheet. But you be the boss and you know your boat. If you are going to be added stoppers, why not just add a double sheet stopper to the cabin top and they will all be in the cockpit. If you will have additional lines that need to go through an organizer, they make double stacked ones for 4, 6 and 8 lines. They are cheap if you get a Garhauer.
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Steve O.
never use the mainsheet?
I can understand that you only use the jib halyard twice a year if you have roller furling, but are you saying that you never have occasion to ease your mainsheet? What happens when you get a 20 knot gust or a 30 knot gale? I use mine all the time on my 33.5. Lots of boats do have the topping lift and reef lines led aft. Maybe you should install another deck organizer and line clutch on the other side of the cabin top and use it for the topping lift and reef lines.
I can understand that you only use the jib halyard twice a year if you have roller furling, but are you saying that you never have occasion to ease your mainsheet? What happens when you get a 20 knot gust or a 30 knot gale? I use mine all the time on my 33.5. Lots of boats do have the topping lift and reef lines led aft. Maybe you should install another deck organizer and line clutch on the other side of the cabin top and use it for the topping lift and reef lines.
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Doug T.
Jib halyard
I feel the same way about the jib halyard. I only adjust it if I'm bored and want to try to get an extra 0.1 kt of speed (loosening in light winds and tightening in strong winds). If I'm ever in a situation where I really need to drop the jib, I'm going to have to be up on the foredeck to handle the sail anyway, so having the halyard tied off at the mast makes a lot more sense. Would need a winch there, though, to properly tension it... You could rig up single line reefing that works on both cringles. The trick is to get a proper purchase on the leech cringle because it also acts as an outhaul when in use. Since you want your mainsail to be flat in heavy air anyway, it pays to have at least a 2:1 purchase there. More's better.
I feel the same way about the jib halyard. I only adjust it if I'm bored and want to try to get an extra 0.1 kt of speed (loosening in light winds and tightening in strong winds). If I'm ever in a situation where I really need to drop the jib, I'm going to have to be up on the foredeck to handle the sail anyway, so having the halyard tied off at the mast makes a lot more sense. Would need a winch there, though, to properly tension it... You could rig up single line reefing that works on both cringles. The trick is to get a proper purchase on the leech cringle because it also acts as an outhaul when in use. Since you want your mainsail to be flat in heavy air anyway, it pays to have at least a 2:1 purchase there. More's better.
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David
Mainsheet
I believe he doesn't use that particular end of the mainsheet. The 336s that I am familiar with have double ended mainsheets.
I believe he doesn't use that particular end of the mainsheet. The 336s that I am familiar with have double ended mainsheets.
Isn't that the traveler?
David: Isn't that the traveler? The mainsheets is usually a single line that allows you to let out the main. The travel allows you to move the main sheet block from side to side. Before we replaced our traveler we very seldom moved it either because we couldn't. Once we got the new harken unit we are adjusting it much more often.
David: Isn't that the traveler? The mainsheets is usually a single line that allows you to let out the main. The travel allows you to move the main sheet block from side to side. Before we replaced our traveler we very seldom moved it either because we couldn't. Once we got the new harken unit we are adjusting it much more often.
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Paul
The main sheet is double-ended
I didn't point that out. I figured most hunters used the same arrangement. I adjust the mainsheet at the other end, which is attached to the steering pedestal. Both the traveler adjustment and the mainsheet are at the pedestal on the 336 that I have.
I didn't point that out. I figured most hunters used the same arrangement. I adjust the mainsheet at the other end, which is attached to the steering pedestal. Both the traveler adjustment and the mainsheet are at the pedestal on the 336 that I have.
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Paul
Double Stacked Clutches.
I didn't know there were such things. That means I could do single-line reefing for both reef points.
I didn't know there were such things. That means I could do single-line reefing for both reef points.
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David
Double ended
No Steve, it is not the traveler. Take a look at some of the later no backstay rigs and you will see what a double ended mainsheet is.
No Steve, it is not the traveler. Take a look at some of the later no backstay rigs and you will see what a double ended mainsheet is.
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Bob Peters
tie it off
I have a double ended mainsheet on my 336 also. I never use the end that sits atop the cabin and I haven't found anyone yet that doesn't see why I can't tie it off and free up a track or a path. I would then shift vang line to starboard, to that freed up track, move 2nd reefing line to the old vang line track, move the APC halyard to reefing line track then bring the topping lift line to the cockpit using the halyard track and taking advantage of an unused block at base of mast on port side. I have run this by a rigger and he sees no problem with it. I would have to buy a longer line for the topping lift. Doing this, I then have all the frequently worked lines running into the cockpit. Another project for next off season.
I have a double ended mainsheet on my 336 also. I never use the end that sits atop the cabin and I haven't found anyone yet that doesn't see why I can't tie it off and free up a track or a path. I would then shift vang line to starboard, to that freed up track, move 2nd reefing line to the old vang line track, move the APC halyard to reefing line track then bring the topping lift line to the cockpit using the halyard track and taking advantage of an unused block at base of mast on port side. I have run this by a rigger and he sees no problem with it. I would have to buy a longer line for the topping lift. Doing this, I then have all the frequently worked lines running into the cockpit. Another project for next off season.
Stacked Organizers not Clutches.
Paul: That was a double stacked ORGANIZER not clutches. I got one from Garhauer that is two pulleys wide and two high. Very reasonably priced. The ones I got even have ball bearing. I then added another single rope clutch to the cabin top (starboard). I now have my Main Halyard, Main Sheet and Rigid Vang all on the starboard side. Then I have my two Jib Halyards and the control line for my Self Tending Jib on the Port side.
Paul: That was a double stacked ORGANIZER not clutches. I got one from Garhauer that is two pulleys wide and two high. Very reasonably priced. The ones I got even have ball bearing. I then added another single rope clutch to the cabin top (starboard). I now have my Main Halyard, Main Sheet and Rigid Vang all on the starboard side. Then I have my two Jib Halyards and the control line for my Self Tending Jib on the Port side.
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