Re: 2014 PNW Vega RendezvousI am so disappointed to say that we will be attending a family wedding in California at that time. Not that I'm asking the date to be changed on our account, but we could attend later in the month of August or early to mid July.Judy Schwan and Ken McMillenAkvavit 1869 On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:11 AM, "AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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Storm Trysail?
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Storm Trysail?
Sun Apr 6, 2014 6:03 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tom Fenton" tomfentonvega2977beowulf
Has anyone used a storm trysail on the Vega? I have been studying Storm
Tactics by Lin and Larry Pardy, which I found very persuasive. In brief the
theory is, in very high winds with breaking waves you are safest when hove
to about 50 degrees off the wind and not fore reaching. The slick caused by
your downwind drift confuses the following seas, and tames them like an oil
slick. They recommend heaving to under triple reefer main or a storm
trysail, (not backed jib). If the wind is so strong that the boat is still
making some forward progress, or too far off the wind, they recommend a
para anchor. Reminded me of Matt Rutherford&# 39;s voyage.
I have a storm trysail, but it is rigged for raising in a separate raised
track. Has anyone fitted such a track to a Vega mast? Any thought on
whether it is worth it? Could the sail be set in the main groove, if I
changed the sliders? Anyone had experience of heaving to under triple
reefed main, and in what strength of wind? Any other thoughts on heavy
weather tactics in the Vega?
Tom Fenton, Beowulf, V2977
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Re: Storm Trysail?
Sun Apr 6, 2014 8:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"walt judy brown allore" pelagicasd
Hi Tom, We spent a night hove to in 50 knot winds off of a lee shore with a double reefed main and no jib. When we had our sails made I discussed getting a trysail with the sail maker and his thoughts were that on smaller boats we could probably get away with 3 reef points. When you hope to cruise there comes a time when you quit working on the boat and just go. (Cruising has been defined as working on your boat in exotic places.) I'm embarrassed to say that the sail had been made with 3 reef points but we only had it rigged for two of them. I would have used all three if I could have. We had a storm jib but I was just to scared to go on the foredeck to rig it. At times waves would come over the bow and roll over the boat and on occasion, roll over the cabin and dodger. Cockpit was half full at times. At our next opportunity we put in the lines for the third reef point and 2 extra drains for the cockpit. It was the second scariest night of
my life. Some one once told me that if you wonder if you should put a reef in you should. I look back and think that I should have rigged the storm jib before it got so bad. On the positive side of things, I have a great deal of faith in the what the Vega's are capable of. Walt, Lyric
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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 08:45:06 +0100
Subject: [AlbinVega] Storm Trysail?
Has anyone used a storm trysail on the Vega? I have been studying Storm Tactics by Lin and Larry Pardy, which I found very persuasive. In brief the theory is, in very high winds with breaking waves you are safest when hove to about 50 degrees off the wind and not fore reaching. The slick caused by your downwind drift confuses the following seas, and tames them like an oil slick. They recommend heaving to under triple reefer main or a storm trysail, (not backed jib). If the wind is so strong that the boat is still making some forward progress, or too far off the wind, they recommend a para anchor. Reminded me of Matt Rutherford&# 39;s voyage.
I have a storm trysail, but it is rigged for raising in a separate raised track. Has anyone fitted such a track to a Vega mast? Any thought on whether it is worth it? Could the sail be set in the main groove, if I changed the sliders? Anyone had experience of heaving to under triple reefed main, and in what strength of wind? Any other thoughts on heavy weather tactics in the Vega?
Tom Fenton, Beowulf, V2977
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Re: Storm Trysail?
Sun Apr 6, 2014 9:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Douglas Pollard" dougpol1
Tom, I would concider not allowing a Vega to drift backwards in a
blow and even moving ahead a slight amount. The rudders on these boats
have a reputation for not being the strongest rudders as compared to
some boats. I broke a rudder on a Crocker Ketch some 40 years ago by
setting her drift astern very slowly What I found was she moved
backward faster on wave fronts I would not let her move backwards at all
and even move forward slowly if she will. I think I would tend to take
some advice from some of the Vega sailors in Sweden or the Netherlands.
Their sailing grounds are the North Atlantic and most likely they have a
better feel for heavy weather sailing in a Vega than we in the states
might. Wave tops in 50 knots of breeze may be moving 30 knots and the
water at the base of the wave might be moving 6 knots so the 6knot water
is acting as a break and causes breaking waves while the hull is in
water traveling much faster. The result is the keel and rudder are
acting as a break to slow the boat. The pressure on them could be quite
large. This is my thinking and may well be wrong, but i think it's worth
concidering..
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Digest #4319
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Storm Trysail?
by
"Tom Fenton"
tomfentonvega2977beowulf
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Re: Storm Trysail?
by
"walt judy brown allore"
pelagicasd
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Re: Storm Trysail?
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"Douglas Pollard"
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Re: Storm Trysail?
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"walt judy brown allore"
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2014 Pacific Northwest Vega (et al) Rendezvous
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pjacobs55
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Re: 2014 Pacific Northwest Vega (et al) Rendezvous
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"Sailshiva"
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Re: 2014 Pacific Northwest Vega (et al) Rendezvous
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"simplisupr"
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"THOMAS ROSE"
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Re: 2014 Pacific Northwest Vega (et al) Rendezvous
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"Sailshiva"
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Re: Engine burn out
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"Tom Fenton"
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Storm Trysail?
Sun Apr 6, 2014 6:03 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Tom Fenton" tomfentonvega2977beowulf
Has anyone used a storm trysail on the Vega? I have been studying Storm
Tactics by Lin and Larry Pardy, which I found very persuasive. In brief the
theory is, in very high winds with breaking waves you are safest when hove
to about 50 degrees off the wind and not fore reaching. The slick caused by
your downwind drift confuses the following seas, and tames them like an oil
slick. They recommend heaving to under triple reefer main or a storm
trysail, (not backed jib). If the wind is so strong that the boat is still
making some forward progress, or too far off the wind, they recommend a
para anchor. Reminded me of Matt Rutherford&# 39;s voyage.
I have a storm trysail, but it is rigged for raising in a separate raised
track. Has anyone fitted such a track to a Vega mast? Any thought on
whether it is worth it? Could the sail be set in the main groove, if I
changed the sliders? Anyone had experience of heaving to under triple
reefed main, and in what strength of wind? Any other thoughts on heavy
weather tactics in the Vega?
Tom Fenton, Beowulf, V2977
--
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49 Manor Road, Wivenhoe, Colchester CO7 9LN
M +44 7740 928369
SV Beowulf, V2977
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Re: Storm Trysail?
Sun Apr 6, 2014 8:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"walt judy brown allore" pelagicasd
Hi Tom, We spent a night hove to in 50 knot winds off of a lee shore with a double reefed main and no jib. When we had our sails made I discussed getting a trysail with the sail maker and his thoughts were that on smaller boats we could probably get away with 3 reef points. When you hope to cruise there comes a time when you quit working on the boat and just go. (Cruising has been defined as working on your boat in exotic places.) I'm embarrassed to say that the sail had been made with 3 reef points but we only had it rigged for two of them. I would have used all three if I could have. We had a storm jib but I was just to scared to go on the foredeck to rig it. At times waves would come over the bow and roll over the boat and on occasion, roll over the cabin and dodger. Cockpit was half full at times. At our next opportunity we put in the lines for the third reef point and 2 extra drains for the cockpit. It was the second scariest night of
my life. Some one once told me that if you wonder if you should put a reef in you should. I look back and think that I should have rigged the storm jib before it got so bad. On the positive side of things, I have a great deal of faith in the what the Vega's are capable of. Walt, Lyric
From: tjhfenton@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 08:45:06 +0100
Subject: [AlbinVega] Storm Trysail?
Has anyone used a storm trysail on the Vega? I have been studying Storm Tactics by Lin and Larry Pardy, which I found very persuasive. In brief the theory is, in very high winds with breaking waves you are safest when hove to about 50 degrees off the wind and not fore reaching. The slick caused by your downwind drift confuses the following seas, and tames them like an oil slick. They recommend heaving to under triple reefer main or a storm trysail, (not backed jib). If the wind is so strong that the boat is still making some forward progress, or too far off the wind, they recommend a para anchor. Reminded me of Matt Rutherford&# 39;s voyage.
I have a storm trysail, but it is rigged for raising in a separate raised track. Has anyone fitted such a track to a Vega mast? Any thought on whether it is worth it? Could the sail be set in the main groove, if I changed the sliders? Anyone had experience of heaving to under triple reefed main, and in what strength of wind? Any other thoughts on heavy weather tactics in the Vega?
Tom Fenton, Beowulf, V2977
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49 Manor Road, Wivenhoe, Colchester CO7 9LN
M +44 7740 928369
SV Beowulf, V2977
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Re: Storm Trysail?
Sun Apr 6, 2014 9:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Douglas Pollard" dougpol1
Tom, I would concider not allowing a Vega to drift backwards in a
blow and even moving ahead a slight amount. The rudders on these boats
have a reputation for not being the strongest rudders as compared to
some boats. I broke a rudder on a Crocker Ketch some 40 years ago by
setting her drift astern very slowly What I found was she moved
backward faster on wave fronts I would not let her move backwards at all
and even move forward slowly if she will. I think I would tend to take
some advice from some of the Vega sailors in Sweden or the Netherlands.
Their sailing grounds are the North Atlantic and most likely they have a
better feel for heavy weather sailing in a Vega than we in the states
might. Wave tops in 50 knots of breeze may be moving 30 knots and the
water at the base of the wave might be moving 6 knots so the 6knot water
is acting as a break and causes breaking waves while the hull is in
water traveling much faster. The result is the keel and rudder are
acting as a break to slow the boat. The pressure on them could be quite
large. This is my thinking and may well be wrong, but i think it's worth
concidering..
--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO