I am thinking of replacing my old alcohol pressurized stove, but hesitate to fork out the bucks for an Origo. Who is out there on a budget using a Coleman or other brand propane/butane??? Successful?? Suggestions??? I read someone's view that the camper-type canister doesn't have enough propane to be dangerous if it leaks, but I don't believe it. Does anybody know for sure?? Thanks!
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Don Bodemann
Glo-mate
Gary, Several years ago we were new Catalina owners and someone on their e-mail list suggested the Glo-mate butane single burner. That was six boats ago and we have put a Glo-mate on every boat since including the Hunter 33 that we now sail. The Glo-mates are sold in many places as well as some of the boat shows as it is ideal for small to medium cruisers. I don't think it would fly for a live aboard or extended cruising, but for us weekend warriors or when we take a two week coastal cruise it can't be beat. Each small can of fuel yields over two hours of cooking time. On a two week cruise we will typically use 2 cans. With a reasonable amount of common sense I believe they are perfectly safe. In fact, I believe they are a lot more safer than the old alcohol "curtain burner". How many times have we seen someone's alcohol stove flaring up during the pre-heat process? The Glo-mate sells for about $50 bucks and is just about idiot proof. The cans of fuel go for about $3.50...How can you go wrong? Don
Gary, Several years ago we were new Catalina owners and someone on their e-mail list suggested the Glo-mate butane single burner. That was six boats ago and we have put a Glo-mate on every boat since including the Hunter 33 that we now sail. The Glo-mates are sold in many places as well as some of the boat shows as it is ideal for small to medium cruisers. I don't think it would fly for a live aboard or extended cruising, but for us weekend warriors or when we take a two week coastal cruise it can't be beat. Each small can of fuel yields over two hours of cooking time. On a two week cruise we will typically use 2 cans. With a reasonable amount of common sense I believe they are perfectly safe. In fact, I believe they are a lot more safer than the old alcohol "curtain burner". How many times have we seen someone's alcohol stove flaring up during the pre-heat process? The Glo-mate sells for about $50 bucks and is just about idiot proof. The cans of fuel go for about $3.50...How can you go wrong? Don
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David C. Hirtle
propane/butane
Twice in the past thirty years I too have had the opportunity to upgrade to either propane or butane. Twice now in the past thirty years I decided that there were no greater risks, there was considerably less expense (containers, thruhulls, sensors etc) and the cooking advantages were not that much better. So twice now, we stayed the course with our alcohol stove and oven combo's. We returned a year ago from a year long sabbatical south aboard our 28' O'day and used our stove everyday...heating, cooking, baking. The cost and usage was little more than one gallon/month and it was readily availble! When given the opportunity, I've upgraded from the Princes to a TASCO (Taunton Stove Company, MA) Good company, kenyon parts, great service if you need it...never have! Good luck!
Twice in the past thirty years I too have had the opportunity to upgrade to either propane or butane. Twice now in the past thirty years I decided that there were no greater risks, there was considerably less expense (containers, thruhulls, sensors etc) and the cooking advantages were not that much better. So twice now, we stayed the course with our alcohol stove and oven combo's. We returned a year ago from a year long sabbatical south aboard our 28' O'day and used our stove everyday...heating, cooking, baking. The cost and usage was little more than one gallon/month and it was readily availble! When given the opportunity, I've upgraded from the Princes to a TASCO (Taunton Stove Company, MA) Good company, kenyon parts, great service if you need it...never have! Good luck!
It never is a problem until something happens.
Gary: I think you should head out into the desert in Eastern Washington with a trash can and a bottle of butane/propane and let the gas leak into the can with the lid on. Then get a match a and drop it in. This will give you a simulation of what *could happen* on your boat. The difference on your boat that fiberglass really burn well. You will be out doors, not in an enclosed area. If you are going to go to a propane system you should do it correctly. Your life is worth more than the price of any stove weather it $50 or 1500. The Origo is basically as safe as any stove is going to be. Unlike pressurized stoves it does not flare up. At $160 for a single burner unit, that's the deal.
Gary: I think you should head out into the desert in Eastern Washington with a trash can and a bottle of butane/propane and let the gas leak into the can with the lid on. Then get a match a and drop it in. This will give you a simulation of what *could happen* on your boat. The difference on your boat that fiberglass really burn well. You will be out doors, not in an enclosed area. If you are going to go to a propane system you should do it correctly. Your life is worth more than the price of any stove weather it $50 or 1500. The Origo is basically as safe as any stove is going to be. Unlike pressurized stoves it does not flare up. At $160 for a single burner unit, that's the deal.
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Tom M.
We have a built-in
butane stove and a portable Glo-mate as well, in case we need two burners. I get the fuel in a four pack for $9.99 If we need three burners, then we break out the single Origo.
butane stove and a portable Glo-mate as well, in case we need two burners. I get the fuel in a four pack for $9.99 If we need three burners, then we break out the single Origo.
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Todd Osborne
toss-up
Origo is safe & has cheap fuel, But I personally couldn't fork out a couple hundred $ for something that has one moving part. The butane canister type stoves work well (buy it at a big chain store in the camping dept. & save $20), but the fuel is more expensive & still dangerous if the gas escapes into the bilge. Pressurized alcohol, dangerous flareups when starting (I loved the term "curtain burner"). propane has the gas in the bilge danger, but are real handy & have cheap fuel. After going through all this, maybe I'll stick to sandwiches...
Origo is safe & has cheap fuel, But I personally couldn't fork out a couple hundred $ for something that has one moving part. The butane canister type stoves work well (buy it at a big chain store in the camping dept. & save $20), but the fuel is more expensive & still dangerous if the gas escapes into the bilge. Pressurized alcohol, dangerous flareups when starting (I loved the term "curtain burner"). propane has the gas in the bilge danger, but are real handy & have cheap fuel. After going through all this, maybe I'll stick to sandwiches...
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Andy Falls
What happened to CNG
I'm an alchoholic cooker myself, but what happened to the CNG. It was suppose to burn like propane but be lighter than air and therefore avoid the propane problems.
I'm an alchoholic cooker myself, but what happened to the CNG. It was suppose to burn like propane but be lighter than air and therefore avoid the propane problems.
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Ed Schenck
Yeah, why no CNG?
From my reading on the web it seems that CNG is the safest and best. So why is it not available? Many older Hunters came with CNG. Now people who go offshore have to switch.
From my reading on the web it seems that CNG is the safest and best. So why is it not available? Many older Hunters came with CNG. Now people who go offshore have to switch.
CNG is not always easy to find...
CNG (methane) is more expensive to transport and store than propane and butane (LNG) because it is difficult to liquify at room temperature. Unless you are in an area with a good supply of CNG, i.e. near a natural gas pipeline, you are pretty much stuck with LNG. YOu can also try cooking in the cockpit on a camp stove on a board across the cockpit seats. The Coleman ones that run on white spirit (or super unleaded gas) are pretty cheap, about $50 for a 2-burner in Wal-Mart and you will keep most of the cooking smell out of your boat. That's just a suggestion...my H23 came with an Origo. Peter S/V Raven
CNG (methane) is more expensive to transport and store than propane and butane (LNG) because it is difficult to liquify at room temperature. Unless you are in an area with a good supply of CNG, i.e. near a natural gas pipeline, you are pretty much stuck with LNG. YOu can also try cooking in the cockpit on a camp stove on a board across the cockpit seats. The Coleman ones that run on white spirit (or super unleaded gas) are pretty cheap, about $50 for a 2-burner in Wal-Mart and you will keep most of the cooking smell out of your boat. That's just a suggestion...my H23 came with an Origo. Peter S/V Raven
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