Potential Fischer Panda Safety Issue

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Jun 5, 2004
485
Hunter 44 Mystic, Ct
I was preparing to change the oil and filter on my FP P 6000 genset this morning and came accross this potential safety issue. I would encourage anyone with a similar setup to inspect their genset as well.

On my 2005 H44 the genset is located underneath the navigation bench and is fully surrounded by a suitcase style sound insulation shell. Both the bench and the shell have a small access port so you can check the oil level without having to disassemble the bench or open the sound enclosure. In fact the only time that I ever open the enclosure is to change the oil and filters which I do every fall before I layup the boat. In any event having disassembled the bench and removed the sound enclosure I noticed some minor corrosion on the salt water cooling piping where it connects to the elbow to go overboard. I didn't think too much about it and started the genset to heat up the oil. I didn't notice it at first but I did have a steady stream of water about the size of a pencil shooting out of the 6" length of ~ 2" radiator exhaust hose. This hose is normally underneath the sound enclosure and is never visable unless you remove the enclosure. Further investigation revealed that the hose had a split in it about 1" below the upper hose clamp. The split was small enough that water was still also comimg out the overboard thru hull. Had I not had the shell off I would never have noticed it. I don't know how long it had been leaking. Obviously a concern of water getting into the boat and a potential source of carbon monoxide. I'll replace the hose this weekend and try to determine what caused the hose to split. My genset gets little use probably about 10 hours all season.

I don't want to be an alarmist here and I hope this is an isolated incident, however due to the potential consequences I thought it best to share this.
 
Jul 8, 2012
144
Helms 25 indiana
always good habit to inspect all hoses, belts, or whatever on a regular basis and at the end of your sailing season. just a little extra time can prevent something major at the worst time. way to spot the leak...
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
It would be interesting to see what hose the installer used as normal wire reinforced exhaust hose is pretty tough stuff


Even the approved below water line hose like c-flex is very substantial
 
Jun 5, 2004
485
Hunter 44 Mystic, Ct
Hose was reinforced wire wound diesel exhaust hose. I'll post picture tomorrow. Any idea how to wash the dried salt residue off of the generator housing and auxiliaries? I'm thinking distilled water and a sponge.
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
I was preparing to change the oil and filter on my FP P 6000 genset this morning and came accross this potential safety issue. I would encourage anyone with a similar setup to inspect their genset as well.

On my 2005 H44 the genset is located underneath the navigation bench and is fully surrounded by a suitcase style sound insulation shell. Both the bench and the shell have a small access port so you can check the oil level without having to disassemble the bench or open the sound enclosure. In fact the only time that I ever open the enclosure is to change the oil and filters which I do every fall before I layup the boat. In any event having disassembled the bench and removed the sound enclosure I noticed some minor corrosion on the salt water cooling piping where it connects to the elbow to go overboard. I didn't think too much about it and started the genset to heat up the oil. I didn't notice it at first but I did have a steady stream of water about the size of a pencil shooting out of the 6" length of ~ 2" radiator exhaust hose. This hose is normally underneath the sound enclosure and is never visable unless you remove the enclosure. Further investigation revealed that the hose had a split in it about 1" below the upper hose clamp. The split was small enough that water was still also comimg out the overboard thru hull. Had I not had the shell off I would never have noticed it. I don't know how long it had been leaking. Obviously a concern of water getting into the boat and a potential source of carbon monoxide. I'll replace the hose this weekend and try to determine what caused the hose to split. My genset gets little use probably about 10 hours all season.

I don't want to be an alarmist here and I hope this is an isolated incident, however due to the potential consequences I thought it best to share this.
Marc I already did this last year after about 400 hrs on the genset which as you know is the same as yours. The OEM hose is a pos imho. One day I noticed the stiffening wire was wearing through on the hose so I replaced it with a length of good quality exhaust hose. I would also recommend visually inspecting the FP more frequently. I remove the enclosure after about 20 hrs or so in between cruises or moves. There are certain things I always inspect such as the raw water pump, rear bearing sight glass, capacitors, belt, fuel filter, and that exhaust hose. A friend of mine who has the same genset actually had the metal exhaust pipe in this area wear through and begin leaking. Most of us also say a short prayer over the unit before we button it up. :)
 
Feb 27, 2004
134
Hunter 410 N. Weymouth, MA
had the same problems on my FP mini 8 a couple of years ago. OEM hose is poor quality. also had the mixing elbow fail. new one has almost twice the wall thickness of the old one. sprayed the genset down with corrosion X http://www.corrosionx.com/ and have had no issues with any type of corrosion since.
 
Jun 5, 2004
485
Hunter 44 Mystic, Ct
Rick

Did you have any problems with the new hose? New hose is as you said much thicker and it took several hours to get it on. Heat gun swearing etc. Had to remove the bottom exhaust coupling and fit the hose up on the heat exchanger nozzle and then try to reconnect the bottom exhaust piece. Finally got that done but the hose is so tight up against the heat exchanger I can't get a hose clamp around the heat exchanger nozzle. Any ideas?
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
Rick

Did you have any problems with the new hose? New hose is as you said much thicker and it took several hours to get it on. Heat gun swearing etc. Had to remove the bottom exhaust coupling and fit the hose up on the heat exchanger nozzle and then try to reconnect the bottom exhaust piece. Finally got that done but the hose is so tight up against the heat exchanger I can't get a hose clamp around the heat exchanger nozzle. Any ideas?
I remember it being a bit of a struggle but I did not remove any fittings and I somehow managed to get a hose clamp on each end. But the clearances aren't much and maybe each unit is just a bit different. You might try removing the water injection elbow and attach the hose clamp, then reattach the elbow. Come to think of it I may have done that since I installed a new elbow at the same time. A friend had just had his elbow fail and I wanted to be sure mine was good.
 
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