passenger capacity

[Wayne Spanier]

Can anyone tell me what the passenger capacity for the Catalina 22 is? I know it doesn't feel good to be sailing with more than 4 in the cockpit, but can we safely sail with more if they are in the cabin, or on the foredeck? Can we motor safely with 8 or 9 or more adults on board??
Thanks for any advice Wayne

 

[Slow Mo^cean]

I think it would more depend on how friendly you really want to get with other passengers. 4 adults is all I can handle period, if they sit still. IIRC, passenger and gear capacity on the boat is 1200 lbs, so that means eight 150lb people with no gear.

 

[jfrench]

<<Can we motor safely with 8 or 9 or more adults on board?? >>

I'll submit that you're inviting trouble. Motoring only, on calm water, for a short evening trip, you'll probably be OK. But raise the sails, get a thunderstorm, rough air or water, or a couple of drunks among them, and you've got problems.

When planning for aviation, the official "guesstimate" for a person's weight is 180 lbs. There has been talk about raising that to 200 lbs. in America because we're all so overweight. If you have 200 pounds of sails, anchor, battery, stuff, onboard (you've probably got more than that); it leaves room for five 200 pounders. Overloaded boats are a primary cause of marine accidents.

Personally, I won't consider more than four on board -it's just too crowded to be enjoyable.

 

[Bilbo]

The hull displacement for the swing keel Catalina 22 is listed as 2250 lb.
When you load your boat, consider for weather, wave conditions, cargo movement and any other factors. I've had six aboard on our small lake several times and it was just fine. A bit tight for getting the rigging adjusted and all that but it can be done if the weather is obliging.
However, If you decide to add a lot of weight, you may want to check the keel cable hose for leakage or water flowing over the top because that's where I believe that the first issue will occur.
Make proper decisions. As an example of bad decision is when that MacGregor 26X capsized on Lake Champlain on the 4th of July 2002 http://www.ne-ts.com/ar/ar-407capsize.html

 

[hubbardbilly]

It's also tough with the stern sitting so low in the water to sail correctly. I had 4 adults plus 2 teens once and it was uncomfortable to say the least. Probably going to keep it to 4 adults max at any given time unless we only plan to motor in which case I could have more siting forward or down below.

 

[Milton.Audas]

Technically these are rated as OR - owners responsibility. But you should remember these are 22ft boats. Anyone remember the tragedy in Long Island Sound a few months ago ? We've had 5 adults and 2 kids abaotd motoring on calm lake conditions only (actually only motoring up-channel to the Marina after picking up the XO and kids from a swim beach) - 4 in the cockpit, one below and 2 sitting atop the cabin by the mast.

Under sail, 5 is probably ok. Sometimes the kids (2, under 8yrs) prefer to go below and nap, colour, read, snack, etc. so we could safely take 4 adults in the cockpit, including me.

For overnights, forget it - 4 maximum of any age and that's a stretch. Better to camp on a beach.

Remember, you need room in the cockpit to access sheets, swing the tiller to tack, etc. But conditions and experience of ALL aboard should be considered first and foremost.

 

[Chris Patterson]

Guys, this question has got to be some kind of joke...

 

[StanFM]

Can anyone tell me what the passenger capacity for the Catalina 22 is? I know it doesn't feel good to be sailing with more than 4 in the cockpit, but can we safely sail with more if they are in the cabin, or on the foredeck? Can we motor safely with 8 or 9 or more adults on board??
Thanks for any advice Wayne

My concentration is affected with even one person aboard with me. I can't even imagine this scenario.
Stan

 

[hubbardbilly]

Guys, this question has got to be some kind of joke...

Well, Cuban refugees do it all the time!

 

[Bob McL]

This is one of my favorites as to how many people should be aboard - from a commercial boat at Grand Cayman Isle

 

[Merlin Clark]

Don't be this guy.

 

[hubbardbilly]

Don't be this guy.

Haha. My stern sat low like that with just 4 adults and 2 kids. Water actually splashed up from the pullout galley sink drain!

 

[Chris Patterson]

My wife gets irritated at me when I say things like this, but that's the natural elimination of the stupid.

 

[Merlin Clark]

Here's the story that the pic belongs to: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/mar/29/boat-operator-blames-wind-gust-fatal-boat-accident/

 

[Chris Patterson]

Man........I don't know if that's the actual before photo before this tragedy, but that boat is about to poop water even before a sail is set. Anybody that would take out on a situation like that, is crazy as hell.

That's pretty strong language, I know. But it actually makes me very angry..

 

[Joe]

I'm surprised no one mentioned that coast guard and every state I've been in has a PFD regulation....... Every passenger must have (not wear) a personal floatation device, plus there must be throwable type pfd quickly accessible. So... that limits your passengers the number of PFDs you have on board.

 

[Slow Mo^cean]

I'm surprised no one mentioned that coast guard and every state I've been in has a PFD regulation....... Every passenger must have (not wear) a personal floatation device, plus there must be throwable type pfd quickly accessible. So... that limits your passengers the number of PFDs you have on board.

Not necessarily... I have a box of six near shore pfd's that o bought from WM years ago to have just in case. I call it the floating brick. It fits perfectly in the storage compartment under the cockpit. Those plus my kid's life jackets makes 8, but I'll never pit that many people on any boat I own..... Unless its a boat paid by a winning lottery ticket..

 

[justsomeguy]

I'm surprised no one mentioned that coast guard and every state I've been in has a PFD regulation....... Every passenger must have (not wear) a personal floatation device, plus there must be throwable type pfd quickly accessible. So... that limits your passengers the number of PFDs you have on board.

It's the number one citation given out by maritime authorities.

 

[Merlin Clark]

Man........I don't know if that's the actual before photo before this tragedy, but that boat is about to poop water even before a sail is set. Anybody that would take out on a situation like that, is crazy as hell.

That's pretty strong language, I know. But it actually makes me very angry..

That is the pic of the same boat on the same day. It's from a different article and I save the pic when it came out. There was a pretty lengthy discussion here on SBO when it happened.
The guy running that BS op should be in jail. What gets me about it is he was doing this for hire and as far as I know a paid captain has to have a license, the USCG has to inspect the boat, etc, etc, etc and we never heard anything about those little issues.

Here's the update on this clown and his "operation" http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=882978&highlight=sailboat capsized in San Diego

 

[Merlin Clark]

Can anyone tell me what the passenger capacity for the Catalina 22 is? I know it doesn't feel good to be sailing with more than 4 in the cockpit, but can we safely sail with more if they are in the cabin, or on the foredeck? Can we motor safely with 8 or 9 or more adults on board??
Thanks for any advice Wayne

Don't exceed the rated capacity of the boat and everything that isn't nailed down should be included in that estimation.
The number 1 thing to remember is the captain (owner or the owners rep if he/she isn't aboard) is absolutely responsible for anything that happens that is within his control.