Painting Freeboard on a Hunter 33 Cherubini

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Aug 20, 2006
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Hunter 33_77-83 Yucatan, Mexico
We are going to have the freeboard portion of the hull painted, since it needs it, we are on the hard (in Mexico) and had already decided to get a couple fresh coats of antifouling on the bottom anyway.
It looks like it has the original paint still on it. Could anyone who has any experience in painting suggest the most appropriate paint, mfg, quantities, and if any primer, thinner, or other materials that I should consider getting here, for the job? I will be having a local painter who has painted several boats do the painting, however materials are not available where I am hauled out.
We already have the ablative bottom paint and need to get the freeboard painting supplies next. Any suggestions, ideas, and advice will be gladly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.
Bob
S/V Seanorita
Yucatan, Mexico
 
Jan 1, 2008
89
Islander 36 Salem MA
Bob ,the results will all depend on your prep of the hull. The results will also depend on the type of paint and how it is applied . The range is so large you will have to decide on if you want a "Bristol finish " or a respectable finish . Are you going to spray the paint or roll and tip ?
Again the results will depend on how it is done . Heck I have seen great Algrip jobs that run several thousands of dollars and I have seen Bright sides roll and tip that looks almost as good for far less . I personally painted a launch for a yacht club this year ,using the roll and tip method ,and got rave reviews for the ,what members thought was a pro gel-coat job! Unless you are leaving the boat at a slip ,where the hull can be examined by the paint critics ,I would do the roll and tip . From 20 feet away you can't tell the difference anyway ! One other thing you should do is to be sure that when you paint that the wind and dust is at a minimum . Good luck .
 
Aug 20, 2006
220
Hunter 33_77-83 Yucatan, Mexico
Painting freeboard on H-33 Cherubini

How about how much paint necessary -- quarts, gallons?? Thanks for the suggestion. I had heard about Brightsides as being the most cost effective, and will probably go wiith that. Yes, on the roll & tip by a local who does all the boats and seems to get very nice results. How about primer, and any suggestions on prepping/sanding?
Thanks for the help. I need it and appreciate being able to share in this "experience" base.
Bob
S/V Seanorita
Yucatan, Mexico
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Just remember, to get good results in any kind of paint job, 95% of the work is the preparation of the surface. Has the boat been painted before or is it still gelcoat.

One advantage of the more expensive two-part LPU paints is they generally have much higher durability and generally last longer than the one-part paints. However, spraying two-part LPU paints requires very specialized equipment due to the cyanide based components in the paint which make spraying it very hazardous.
 
Aug 20, 2006
220
Hunter 33_77-83 Yucatan, Mexico
Any suggestions for prep? It seems like the boat has never been "painted" before. One slight touch up job where it seems like a pylon may have given her some dock rash, poorly done. Seems original all around.
Thanks
Bob
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Before you do anything, wipe down the gelcoat with an appropriate thnner to remove any leftover mold release wax. Yes, it could still be there. Sanding progreesively down to 400 grit should give the paint something to grab onto and not show throughteh final finish.

Do not use Brightsides as you will be doing this every other year. It will not hold up well in the tropics and is fairly soft making it suceptable to scratching.

For cost, easy of use, duability, I would recommend Interlux Perfection. You can roll and tip this to a mirror finish if done properly. For coverage, you will have to calculate the sq. footage of the area to be painted.

Here is an article I wrote about painting spars. It can be adapted to use on anything. The keys to getting a great finish are prep, proper thinning and painting environment.


How to sucessfully refinish your aluminum spars.

The painted mast and boom on my 1985 Ericson 35-3 were looking pretty tired when I purchased the boat in 2006. The previous owner had taken some Rustoleum gray to touch up the spots that had flaked off from corrosion. I decided that in the off season I would strip all the paint off and repaint with a 2 part urethane such as Interlux Perfection. Luckily the basement of my house is just about 2 feet longer than my mast so I was able to do all the work indoors. This is not critical until it comes to painting which absolutely needs to be in a controlled environment. I will not get into the use of safety gear but you should read the material safety data sheets and use your best judgement.

Preperation:
Any successfull painter worth his salt will tell you that the key to a great paint job is preperation. If you are willing the take the time and are good at following directions than this article is for you. For everyone who wants it done fast with little effort, get out your checkbook and go see your local boatyard.
The procedure I outline below can be done mostly with common tools you can get at your local big box stores. All the painting is done using the roll and tip method so no spraying is necessary. I wanted to be alive to enjoy the finished product! This is not to say you do not need a good respirator with an organic filter and plenty of ventilation in your workspace.

First we need to remove all the fittings from the mast. I photographed the location of all the blocks, cleats, tracks, etc. to ensure that reassembly would be easy. I was lucky in that all the SS screws came out without any of them breaking or taking the threads with them. If you have to drill out any, use a center punch to ensure that you drill into the center of the fastner and not the edge as your drill will quickly bite into the softer aluminum. This is an excellent opportunity to do some maintenance. Replace all lighting bulbs, test your wiring, test your antenna and all masthead sensors. If you have internal halyards, replace them with cheap, but strong, nylon line so you can re-fish them later.

Next it is time to strip all the paint off the mast, boom and spreaders. I used Klean Strip KS3 Premium stripper from a big box home center. It is about $20/gal. 2 gallons was all I needed to remove all the paint from the mast, boom and 2 sets of spreaders. Apply the stripper and let set for 30-60 minutes. The key to paint stripper is to apply using a single brush stroke laying down a thick layer of material. Do not brush back and forth. The paint will bubble in some places and do nothing in others. Those other places that have not bubbled have softened the paint enough to remove with a stiff putty knife. You will quickly learn the proper technique. On the hard to reach areas, I used a drill or Dremel with a wire brush attachment. After the majority of the paint is stripped, wash the aluminum with soap and water. Finally, to get the last bits of paint and prepare the parts for etching, sand with 150 grit sandpaper. I used a Porter Cable 6 inch DA sander with a vacuum attachment.

Priming:
You should now have a nice clean mast/boom/spreaders. Mask any areas not to be painted. After a final sanding and wash, prepare the surface for a thin coat of Interlux Vinylux Primewash. Follow the preperation, mixing and application instruction on the can. After the Primewash dries, fill any voids such as unused holes, pitting or deep scratches. I used thickend West System epoxy(mixed to a peanut butter consistency). Sand the filler being careful not to sand off any of the Primewash. Wipe down with Interlux 2333N and apply your first coat of Interlux Epoxy Primecoat.
Now it is time to start making the parts smooth. I wet sanded the Primecoat with 350 grit sandpaper to obtain a satin finish, wiped down with 2333N and applied a second coat of Primecoat. Wet sanded again to a satin finish. Wipe the parts mutiple times with 2333N to ensure you have removed all sanding residue. When wiping, do not go back and forth. Wipe in one direction and turn the cloth to a clean area to make the next wipe. Microfiber rags work great for this final wipedown.

Finish Coats:
For a great finish, it is essential to control the environment in which you will be painting. My basement is a steady 50 degrees in the winter with fairly mild humidity but it is an old house and has a ton of spider webs and dust overhead. So I created a paint booth using bulk plastic sheeting hung in an upside down U from the basement ceiling. I also wetted the concrete floor to keep the dust down while painting.
Now some of you are thinking after all this work, why not spray the paint on to get a smooth finish. Well I decided to roll and tip for a couple of reasons. First, it is much easier to protect your lungs without all the fumes and overspray getting inhaled. Second, unless you have a lot of spraying experience, I feel the average DIYer can get better results rolling and tipping. If you are patient and carefull, there is no reason not to get a finish that comes close to a professionaly sprayed job. We used a high quality badger hair brush that would not shed.

It took between 1/2 and 1 quart of Perfection to cover my 55 ft. mast, 11 ft. boom and 4 spreaders. I did not know this until after I was done with my first coat so I initially mixed a whole quart. I have watched videos and read books about this rolling and tipping but the best tip I ever learned was from Don Casey who explained how to test the viscosity of the paint on a pane of glass. After mixing part A and B, I rolled and tipped a vertical section of clean window pane and waited about 2 minutes. You have to wait in order to see how the paint flows out. After 2 minutes I still had brush marks so I wiped off the glass and added some 2333N(1/4 to 1/2 ounce at a time). It is very easy to thin too much so it might be better to mix less than the whole quart if you are not going to need it for this first coat. This way you can add some back to your mix if needed. I rolled and tipped the glass again and waited. This time less brush marks but still not flowing enough. A little more thinner and another test area on the glass. This time all the brush marks flowed out to a glossy uniform surface without any runs or sags. Time to paint. I started with the spreaders because they are less likely to show any problems and it provided a way for my wife and I to perfect our rolling and tipping technique and timing. We then moved on to the top of the mast and worked our way down. She would roll out a section about 3 ft. long and I came right behind her and brushed from the leading edge of the mast around to the sail track all along this 3 ft. section. I then brushed the 3 foot length of the mast always leaving a wet edge. As I tipped, she rolled the next section. I found I obtained the best results by holding the brush at a 45 degree angle with the tip slightly wetted with paint but not too wet. Apply light pressure. If the brush starts to drag, clean it with some thinner. After allowing the first coat to dry I wet sanded with 400 grit paper to get back to a satin finish and wiped with 2333N. We applied a second coat using the same technique as the first.

Conclusion:
This project was a lot of hard work but when we saw the results, we both agreed it was well worth it. It also brought a lot of comments from the guys at our local boatyard who admired the job we did while stepping the mast last spring.
Tools(all availbale at your local home center)

Putty knives
Sanders
Dremel
Wire bushes
Drill
Screwdrivers
Organic type respirators
Supplies
Stripper(Klean Strip KS3 Premium stripper)
Sandpaper(150, 320, 400) 3M
Paint(Interlux purchased at the local West Marine)
Primer(Interlux purchased at the local West Marine)
Thinners(Interlux purchased at the local West Marine)
Clean rags(Home center)
Mixing cans(Home center)
West system 204/205 epoxy and thickener(West Marine)
Nitrile surgical gloves(Home center)
Eye protection(Home center)
Old clothes or a tyvec suit and hood(Closet or Home center)
Rollers(West Marine)
Brushes(West Marine)

Time
1/2 - 1 day to remove fittings
Three 8 hour days to strip and sand
About 2 hours per coat of paint

Costs
I own all the tools
Primers, thinners and paint $200(~55 ft. mast, boom and spreaders)
Brushes $60
Sandpaper $30
 

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Aug 20, 2006
220
Hunter 33_77-83 Yucatan, Mexico
Much obliged. Is there much difference in price? Will read at length and follow the ideas. Yes I would like something rated high on durability. Many thanks again for the time taken to assist me. Very much appreciated.
Bob
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Imron, perfection, awlcraft are all very, very durable two-part finishes.
 
Jan 1, 2008
89
Islander 36 Salem MA
You asked for it ,the info that is ,now get to it . The type of paint as I said can go from $$$$ to $ . The results really depend on the prep work and the application of the paint . The one thing you have to be carefull is when you paint .Not to hot not to cold no wind ,dust ect. ,those are the things that can really mess up the job if you have to do it outside .
 
Feb 29, 2004
74
Com-Pac 23 Port Orange, FL
Gee, Bob, funny bumping into you here. ;)

Check out this site for some pretty good "how to's", including two-part epoxy on top sides (the side of the hull above the waterline). Pretty good videos of a great lookiing paint job!

http://www.sailingmates.com/Sailboat maintenance repair videos.htm

Are you down in Mexico yet? How was your boat through the summer? Everything OK?

Take care and keep in touch!

--Greg
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Nice article Gerg. I wish I had that when I did my spars 2 years ago. It brings up a good point and that is practise. Be willing to waste some paint to get the best possible results. A wasted quart of Perfection is only about $50. Pretty low compared to what you save doing this yourself.
 
Jun 9, 2008
1,792
- -- -Bayfield
Painting your hull and not your mast

Not sure what the article about painting your aluminum mast has to do with painting the sides of your fiberglass hull. I guess there are a few usable ideas.
Preparation is the key, as suggested. Cleaning the hull with a dewaxer is important (after you wash it with soap and water, or something stronger like Zing, if you have growth or hull stains). Then you need to sand the hull with 80 grit sandpaper and then clean it again with a solvent.
Choose your paint. Interlux Brightsides is a one part polyurethane paint that is good for do it yourselfers, but isn't as good or long lasting as a linear polyurethane paint, especially in the tropics. Interlux has a two part system designed for rolling and tipping that is quite good. The color selection is limited in comparison to other choices such as Awlgrip or Awlcraft.
But, linear polyurethanes is hazardous stuff to work with, so you need to protect your body with suits, gloves, hoods and a very good mask to protect your lungs (best is the type that feeds you fresh air). If you roll and tip, then this is not as bad as spraying where the fumes are atomized into the air you breathe. Never the less, protect yourself.
Awlgrip is very hard, has great gloss retention, color retention and abrasion resistance. But, it is so hard that if you need to repair it down the road, it is difficult to repair (it is very repairable within the first few days after applying it).
Awlcraft is a more VOC compliant paint that is softer and hence more repairable long after it has cured.
You need to get product info to make sure you stay within the recommended system, but basically after you clean and sand, then you must apply Awlgrip's 545 two part primer. It is a one to one ratio, but you then mix it with a brushing thinner (rather than thinner used for spraying).
After applying the epoxy primer, you probably need to sand it smooth with a lighter sand paper (even wet). Then you can mix your Awlgrip color with Awlcat#3 (use Awlcat #2 for spraying). It is better to apply several thin coats than fewer thicker coats. Have helpers to roll the paint on with a roller that will hold up to the aggressive Awlgrip and then tip it with a brush. If you get good at this you can obtain excellent results. Make sure you paint the entire hull at the same time so you obtain a wet edge around the whole job. Don't do several feet, stop for a cup of coffee, and then try to start where you left off. You will see the hideous edge and it will ruin your job.
If you use another brand or type of paint, make sure you follow all the directions of the system to gain the best results. Linear polyurethane paints are better than other types of polyurethane paints. Good luck.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Bill-

Spraying most of the two-part LPU paints requires specialized equipment as they contain an ISOCYANATE component that is very poisonous and if inhaled can kill you stone cold dead.
 
Aug 20, 2006
220
Hunter 33_77-83 Yucatan, Mexico
Can anyone suggest how much paint, thinner, primer I would need for the topsides on Seanorita (hunter 33 Cherubini)? I would rather err on the side of surplus, since I will be taking this to be down in Mexico, where resupplying is not an option. Durability will definitely be the weighted decision criteria, with price following a close second.
To me, looks are a bit insignificant when one spends an overwhelming amount of the time sailing to/from or anchored in, unpopulated areas. Awlgrip sounds nice, price doesn't.
Hopefully a change in administration might result in a change in economy, similar to the one felt round the world, when we went from horses to combustion engines as forms of transportation.
Kinda ironic when mentioned on a sailing (as in non-combustion) forum. Anyway, 'thinking that might help make some of my "green" stocks worth something again, which might relieve the pricey side of a nice paint job...7-degrees of separation...
thanks again
Bob
S/V Seanorita
 
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