Outboard Motor Oil

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Jun 2, 2004
3,501
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Looking for some advice on motor oil for our junior sailing program's three four stroke Yamaha outboard motors.

We are trying to save some money for the program by not going to the dealer for parts that are equivalent. It took some investigating but I found the cross reference for the Yamaha oil filters. We are looking at four options.

1. Buy the Yamalube at the dealer
2. Use a regular (automobile) name brand motor oil
3. Store brand West Marine outboard motor oil
4. Mercury Quicksilver motor oil purchased at Wal-Mart, Kmart, etc...
 
Mar 6, 2012
357
Hunter H33 (limited edition cabin top) Bayou Chico
quicksilver is crap, yamalube is highway robbery, westmarine is a joke, buy mobil 1 its the best four stroke motor oil on the market for gasoline powered engines that do not have a wet clutch (motorcycles). ive researched this fact ad-nauseum and i can tell you for sure that you will save money buying mobil 1 and changing it twice a year in your car and twice a year or every 100 hours or so on the outboard. i may not be a diesel expert but i know for sure this is the truth for gasoline powered four stroke engines of any kind.
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
4-stroke motor oil is formulated differently than

automotive oil. It will cost more than automotive oil but a generic, probably West Marine, would be a better way to go. You can also check your big box stores for 4-stroke outboard motor oil which is found in the sporting goods section. Mobil 1 is a synthetic, rated for automotive use and is expensive in itself I wouldn't use it in my car let alone an outboard. As with any motor regular oil changes is the best preventive maintenance
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
1,750
Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
Have you tried talking to the folks at WM about buying at cost? Our WM is very generous when asked for donations for sailing related events.
 
Mar 6, 2012
357
Hunter H33 (limited edition cabin top) Bayou Chico
the only difference in motor oil formulation is the type of engine, as far as the oil is concerned there's no difference in a marine gasoline engine (inboard or outboard) and the engine in your car, they run at similar rpms and temperatures. and before anyone says anything about loading differences you need to go read any of the good in depth studies that can be found using google about viscosity (how the oil protects the engine) retention traits in oils at different temperatures, rpm, age, and particulate saturation. the only time getting a different oil is important are cases like i referenced at first, motorcycles with wet clutches need specific types of oil to handle the particulates from the clutch and keep the plates from glazing and often (japanese 4 cyl bikes) handle rpm figures well in excess of 10,000 for long periods, two strokes need to handle high rpm and also be able to precipitate onto the cylinder and crank case walls after being carried into the engine with the fuel from the carb. the four stroke gasoline engines we have in marine applications pretty much only differ from our cars in the cooling system, the oil system runs at similar pressures, with similar pumps, at similar rpms, at similar temperatures.

having said all that i will submit this study.
http://www.mr2.com/ARTICLE/Mobil1.html
and this one.
http://www.2002tii.org/kb/288
same test i know and not as much info as ive found in the past about the oil itself but seriously guys 1 million...MILLION miles and the connecting rod bearings measured .0008 wear from factory spec.

the guy at WM is going to want you to buy his oil, go to his mechanic when the motor breaks, then accept that its "just part of owning a boat" and keep buying his oil.

here is the study i found a few years ago, i had just paid my own savings at 19 to have the ford 302 in my 1988 grand marquis rebuilt and was determined to make my investment last (silly me i didnt keep the car for more than 3 years after that) regardless my youth and vigor drove me to find out some real world info on what oil i should use and this is where i ended up after comparing to the often lauded but dismal results of all the other oils i could find in my local stores

http://www.brianschreurs.org/neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/mobil1.html

lol sorry for the rant guys, i just noticed the op got that list, i noticed motul brand oil on there a few times, those guys know oil...they've got the best products for motorcycles by far, used them in my dirt bike (125cc two stroke making 37hp) and my street bike (yamaha r6)
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Rufus: Your right but many of these guys will want to argue with you anyway! It might be an interesting note to insert that the most sold #1 marine motor for many years was/is a 4.3L V6 GMC truck motor! Fabulous boat motor, I owned one for 9 yrs until last month. Chief
 
Mar 6, 2012
357
Hunter H33 (limited edition cabin top) Bayou Chico
thanks chief, lol im not a Chevy fan but the idea that calling it a marine engine and needing a separate type of oil is naive for the customer at best. the motocross industry suffered this same fate, like sheep to the slaughter the sport has become boring as honda and their hatred of the two stroke engine have killed the light weight high performance aspect of the sport (i.e. why travis freaking pastrana left)
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Rufus: I am acutely aware of the MX attack on 2 strokes as I raced dirt until I was 50. I was #6 AMA Arizona, son Todd Cash CMC Calif.#1, son Brent Cash #3 CMC N. Cal. and I am an ex Yamaha dealer. Chief
 
Mar 6, 2012
357
Hunter H33 (limited edition cabin top) Bayou Chico
sad isnt it chief, i didnt race much but i rode woods on my 1993 honda cr125r, it was an eric gorr motor, made me sick that such an amazing bike came from someone who hated two smokes. that thing gave me the shakes lol.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,501
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
We May be Getting a Break From the Dealer Already

We just bought a gallon of Yamalube and a filter for the yacht club's boat and it was $41 and change. I did not see the receipt so I am not sure what the breakdown was. For a dollar or two difference per oil change I'll continue with the Yamaha stuff.
 
Aug 16, 2006
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Ericson 32 Oregon coast
Rick, good thinking. I'd stay with it unless I could

come up with another brand that I was absolutely sure met engineering specs. Post #5 {tommays} says it all. That link he gave was a very good one.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
FYI - Tohatsu (which manufactures and rebrands a bunch of the small 4-strokes) specifically prohibits use of synthetic motor oils in their engines. Says so in the manual.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
If you change the oil at ALL, you're miles ahead of most owners I know..

I've said this for years, but the very IDEA that someone would let a 40 dollar oil change stand in the way of a ten thousand dollar diesel, (or five grand outboard), has got to be one of the most insane decisions an owner ever makes.

(And no, I wasn't jabbing at you guys, just a generalization)..
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,670
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Assuming you change the oil at all...

... Every sail boat outboard I have heard of failing failed from electrical or cooling system corrosion. Either that or the carb just got fatally varnished from poor fuel mantanace and running e-10. We just don't put enough hours on them to wear them out before the salt gets them.

I would think more about a good gas additive (Practical Sailor has done a pile of testing) and improved filtration (a secondary in-line filter can work wonders).
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
I travel to Arizona each winter and run my 2k Honda gens for power needs. Adding the cheap gas additive (dollar store) when it starts to miss will clean it up and run smooth again. Of course I could just waste money and buy the stuff that sells for much more and get the same results like most people do!
With regard to synthetic oil, where it can be used: just add a quart of synthetic to your regular oil each oil change and now you have the basic benefits of synthetic without the full cost! Chief
 
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