Outboard for Mac-22

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Mar 12, 2005
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Macgregor 22 Lake Travis, TX
I currently have a 6-hp 2-stroke Evinrude on my Mac-22 which is rather undependable (I can never be quite sure if and when it is going to start) - not unexpected perhaps for an engine built in 1978. Replacing it with a 4-stroke means adding considerably more weight on the engine mount. In a perfect world, I would replace it with a 4-stroke 9-hp engine on which I could get electric starting, but of course we are talking of even more weight. Anybody have a real life experience about how much weight I can hang on my transom? Thanks in advance and BTW, though I don't have a lot of time to participate on this forum I might it most interesting reading. Steve Laban Ebb Tide II - MacGregor-22 Lake Travis, TX
 

Dennis

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Jun 4, 2004
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Macgregor Venture 222 trailer
I could be wrong but

I thought I read somewhere that the most the transom can sustain is a 12 hp. You might double check, as it was a while ago I read that. I have a V222 with a 5 hp 4 stroke
 
Oct 26, 2004
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Macgregor 26X Denton Co. TX USA
Go for it.

I sailed a V222 for four years with a 1973 Merc 7.5 hp 2 stroke which never failed to start right up, but it was only a few years old then. I had hull number 234. If I had to choose again now for the same boat, I'd get the smallest 4 stroke with electric start. I'm sure it will be adequate for power in any situation and be easier on the crew if you are injured or too sick to pull a starter rope to get help. The tradeoff is having to make sure the battery is maintained at all times. The extra weight is not going to make any difference for sailing and cruising, but might if you are a very competitive racer.
 
May 18, 2004
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- - Baltimore
Outboard Mac-22

If you want a 4-stroke, I would think the 6hp 4stroke is right. The 8 and 9.9 are pretty big and heavy. I use a 9.9 2-stroke that suits me. Obviously you want to have an adequate backup plate on the interior of these; one downside of the weight is that they add to hobbyhorsing and cavitate easily, especially if anyone goes forward. A longshaft is necessary but will not prevent some cavitation when bouncing.
 
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Greg

It's not the size

It's not the size that counts as much as the mounting, and prop. The others are right when they say get the long shaft. Keeping the prop in the water will always give you more thrust than having it comming out of the water. If you can't find a long shaft, consider moving the motor mount lower. Now the problem with most small motors is they were designed to be put on a row boat/dingy for the really small ones. The pitch on the prop they come with is too much when you mount them on a sail boat, so that the engine can't reach its full wide open throttle RPM's. This means that the performance of the engine is not at its peak. You will not get the full rated out put (Horse Power) and the prop will cavitate (no thrust). I have 2, New Port 23's. One has an old British Seagull, and the other a newer, but no longer made Evenrude. The Sea Gull is a 7HP and the Evevrude an 8HP. The seagull with it's 5 blade prop and lower RPM's along with it's longer shaft moves the boat much faster, and has much more pulling power than the Evenrude, despite that it has less HP. These are small boats, and the only reason I can think of for going to an electric starter is to get a small alt. on the engine. However my Evenrude does not have electric start and does have a small alt., about 4.5 amps measured with a meter, at 13.5 v. Extra weight especially hanging off the stern will slow down your boat, and can also make it harder to handle. A heavier motor is also harder to lift up on the mount. It may be easier to start, but would the wife or kids be able to lower the heavier motor? I have a custom 4 blade prop I just got for my Evenrude I will try this spring. It has 1" less pitch and of corse the 2 extra blades. I have done this before and know it will 1) lower fuel consumption, 2) increase speed, 3) lessen cavitation. and 4) give me more thrust for motoring into a wind or current. 5) give me more thrust for towing other boats. Maybe what you really need is to just have your old outboard rebuilt. After cleanning out all the carbon, a set of new rings, maybe new reed valves, and a carb rebuild, getting all the old carbon out of the exhaust system, new spark plug, and strater rope. It might work better than anything you could find new. To top it off, the savings could be used for a new custom prop.
 
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Greg Pecaut

AGE?

Oh, and as to age of your motor. My folks dingy motor is a 1.5 HP British Seagull built in 1943, and is still going and going and going. It has been rebuilt, but it has also been sunk more times than I can count.
 
May 18, 2004
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- - Baltimore
No, Its the length that counts

Greg is right that the standard outboard is geared for powerboats and not displacement sailboats, so a different prop or gearing can make a big difference. Where he is wrong is saying just move the outboard mount lower. The Mac/V-22 bobs quite easily, and you will only get the motor wet and still cavitate with waves or someone on the foredeck.
 
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Greg

Go longer shaft then

I have the new port 23 and am not that familiar with the v222. But if it bobs that bad, then go for the longest shaft you can find.
 
Oct 25, 2005
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Macgregor 22' Long Beach
Adjustable motor mount

I have a 1971 MacGregor Venture with a 1975 6 HP Evenrude mounted directly on the stern. I am seriously considering installing an adjustable motor mount to put my 1996 Suzuki 2 cycle W/100/1 oil on. The suzuki is twice the motor the older Evenrude is and is much more powerful and fast as well as ideling down to a whisper. However, even my 6 HP Evenrude starts easily and pushes my boat to hull speed at 3/4 power. If I didnt have the suzuki I would buy a 4 cycle 6-7 i/2 HP Honda. I had a 2 HP 4 cycle Honda on my 15' sailboat and it could easily push the loaded boat to hull speed. Duane (Catalina bound)
 
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M. Barclay

motor for 22'

The Mac 22 I purchased came with a Yamaha 4 stroke long leg electric start, and yes it is heavy. I must remove the motor for transport, it does affect the trim, and it affects performance since it is just in the water when the bracket is up. The payoff is in power, mileage, quiet, and dependability. When coming inshore I am able to keep the bracket up and motor in quite close inshore without worry as long as I keep her trimmed by the stern- a very nice feature when docking. Bracket down it is unbeatable! I probably would not have purchased this motor if I needed one, but I am very glad it came with the package! I tell you, if you get in a tight spot, a little extra power comes in handy!
 
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