Okay Mainers, you think you've been taxed enough? READ THIS!

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Gail R

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Apr 22, 2009
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Pearson 34 Freeport, ME
This appeared in yesterday's Portland Pressed Herring. We can only hope no one in our Legislature takes this clown seriously, but considering that esteemed body's past history, I'm not counting on it!

So much wrong with this, I don't know where to start. $1000 is 10 percent of WHAT?? Why only saltwater? Docking only or moorings as well? Most importantly, should the Maine Sunday Telegram boating columnist devote a column to rebuttal?

Maine Voices: Raise money from boats by taxing where they dock
A tax on docking fees for saltwater pleasure craft would target those who could afford to pay.


WINDHAM - It seems everyone agrees that Maine does not have a revenue problem, but we have a huge spending problem.


Where that money comes from and how it is spent is the battle.

There is a source of revenue that would generate revenue in excess of the billion-dollar range, but our legislators don't seem to want to look at it. This idea has been shown to several people.

According to Peter Tucker at Maine Revenue Services, the state does not tax saltwater marina docking and mooring fees. I believe it is the only state on the East Coast that does not have such a tax.

As an educated guess, let's say there are 100,000 or maybe 200,000 pleasure boats that tie up on the Maine coast, and they could be taxed at the very reasonable level of $1,000 per year.

If you look at the number of pleasure boats on the coast of Maine, you can see the revenue would be enough to solve our problems and give some relief to the average Mainer, who cannot afford another nickel of tax or fees.

This tax would be in the 10 percent range and would exclude watercraft used for business (fishing and tourism).

While I am one who gets riled up every time I hear the word tax increase or fee increase, I feel that this tax would solve a lot of problems.

IF LAWMAKERS ARE RESPONSIBLE

If we could trust our legislators to be responsible and cut waste and do away with programs that make Maine a sanctuary state for welfare, we could become a solvent state and be able to fix our roads and pay our hospitals the millions we owe them.

If we don't have the elected officials to do this, then we need to replace them. We need people in Augusta that will think with their minds and not their hearts to make the tough choices that need to be made.
The amount of revenue that this would produce would allow us to do away with all the nuisance taxes and fees that are being put on practically everything we eat, use, or buy which hurts the everyday hard-working people of this state who are paying the taxes, yet do not even have decent roads to travel on to get to work.

This tax, for once, would be a tax on the people who can most afford it, not the least-prosperous among us. This segment of our population spends thousands of dollars on fuel just to enjoy the beautiful coast of Maine, so I'm sure a 10 precent tax on their mooring fees would not be a hardship.

We have thousands of non-residents who use Maine as their playground year round which is good for our economy and we don't want to discourage that -- but think of the infrastructure and services they use, such as police, fire and rescue and roads.

Our state parks are top-notch, but it takes a lot of money to maintain them, so why shouldn't we expect our visitors to pay their fair share?

NOT DISCRIMINATORY

Legislators cannot hide behind the claim of discrimination because we have taxes on beer, wine and tobacco that target specific groups, and there are many more.

While there would be plenty of excuses for not doing this, I don't believe there is a legitimate reason why this couldn't be done. Could it be that they don't want to act on this because most of their re-election money comes from the people who would be taxed?

We hear year after year from our officials that we need to make it a priority to fix roads, bridges, and old water and sewer lines -- so they raise bonds for it and then spend the money on other things.

In my mind a priority is the first project, not the last, and this source of revenue would solve a lot of problems and put people to work at the same time. It seems reasonable and doable to me.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Glenn Lynds (e-mail: gjlynds@roadrunner.com) is a resident of Windham.
 
Apr 22, 2001
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Hunter 420 Norfolk, VA
Main "Docking Tax"

"According to Peter Tucker at Maine Revenue Services, the state does not tax saltwater marina docking and mooring fees. I believe it is the only state on the East Coast that does not have such a tax."

Uh, wrong ... Virginia, at least, has no such tax, ... nor have I heard other boaters mention that any other East coast state(s) has any such tax, either.

Since slips and moorings are simply a means of "parking" a boat; and many pleasure boats cost less than most motor vehicles, perhaps Glenn Lynds might wish to extend his idea to all vehicular (as well as boat) parking in Maine.
This would be far more equitable, and would raise vastly more revenue.

But, then, a Virginian shouldn't be getting envolved in "Down East" matters.
You' a l l have fun, now.
 
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Nov 6, 2006
10,085
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Another one of those "tax them, not us" things that casts you boat owners as the rich aristocrats!.. Too bad .. The problem is that most folks don't think about the registration fees and the fuel taxes and property taxes in some casses and sales taxes that the boat folk are already paying.. It gets these greedy donkeys ( maybe jack asses?) thinking and while the thing may not get passed this time, more and more donkeys will be thinking about it.. I think a counter bill would have to be introduced to tax people $1000 a year for parking a car.. That might show the absurdity of the bill.
I wish you luck with getting this thrown out !!
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
This is ridiculous. If he thinks $1000/yr is reasonable then he is not someone who is hurting from taxation in Maine. He does live in a nice riverfront community.

100,000 to 200,000 boats in Maine? This proves that this guy is an idiot. Portland/Falmouth/S. Portland is probably the largest concentration of pleasure boats in Maine and I would guess that there are less than 3000 that use a slip or mooring. Besides, slip and mooring users already pay fees to the local municipality.

Claude, this is not a proposed bill, just an opinion published in our local liberal rag of a newspaper.

Gail, love to see a rebuttal but your column may not be the best venue.
 
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Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
I am confused due you pay a sales tax on a mooring service ?

As i pay my normal 8.75% sales tax on most everything along with my launch service/ mooring pakage
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
I am confused due you pay a sales tax on a mooring service ?

As i pay my normal 8.75% sales tax on most everything along with my launch service/ mooring pakage
Services are not taxed in Maine(yet). We pay fees to the local municipalities for the right to use the space occupied by either a mooring or slip.

Here's a good one. Local municipalities expect boaters to pay an excise tax just like cars and trailers do in order to help maintain the roads. Last time I checked you cannot drive a boat down a road.
 

Gail R

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Apr 22, 2009
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Pearson 34 Freeport, ME
Yeah, Tim, I've since decided against wasting column space responding to this idiot.

Kloudie1, this hasn't even been thrown in yet, so hopefully we won't have to throw it out. A proposal to subject boat docking to the state's sales tax (5 or 6 percent) was debated a few years back, after some local saw a megayacht belonging to Jimmy Dean (the sausage guy) come into Boothbay. The guy was thinking hey, why not tax yotties, they're all rich just like Jimmy Dean! That eventually got struck down, but it took a major campaign by boat owners, marina operators, and others to kill it. I attended part of the public hearing and it was standing room only consisting almost entirely of people opposed to it.

tommays, at this point, Maine does not tax dock fees. However, boaters DO get taxed on a ot of other stuff, like a sales tax on the boat when purchased, excise tax (yearly), sales tax on purchase of boat accessories and maintenance items, fuel tax, etc. We pay mooring fees to the towns where we have moorings. I'm sure a portion of dock fees people pay goes toward the marina's own tax bills. So it's not like we're not making a contribution.

But $1000/year is ridiculous. The yearly mooring fee for a 30-foot boat in my town is $157.50. A $1000 tax on that is not 10 percent; it's more like 635 percent. Ludicrous.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
Are big PITA down here is the MTA (Metropolitan Transportation Authority) for what ever reason even with littel service On Long Island other then taking you to NYC we all pay taxs for it

There allways out of money and making new taxs for it OR rasing the bridge tolls
 

RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
Are big PITA down here is the MTA (Metropolitan Transportation Authority) for what ever reason even with littel service On Long Island other then taking you to NYC we all pay taxs for it

There allways out of money and making new taxs for it OR rasing the bridge tolls

Not every one pays for this MTA tax......only the self employed and business community and your taxed based on payroll so a large business like a school system or a township with a lot of payroll is getting hammered with this tax to bail out the Metropolitan Transportation Authority because they cannot operate there business efficiently and there running out of money......gheez wish I could get some tax money when my business runs out of money, plus Long Island has no real transportation system that employees use to commute.
Had they taxed all the people there sure would of been a cry foul from the public
 

larryw

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Jun 9, 2004
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Beneteau OC400 Long Beach, CA
Out west we pay a tax on the ground under the water in the slip; it's a form of property tax, called "possessory use tax". We also pay a 1% property tax on boats and airplanes, but not on RVs. Taxes are due this month, the bite on my hide is $900 for the boat, $50 for the slip.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,704
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
NOTHING in the PRM (People's Republic of Maine) surprises me anymore..

Getting myself laid off and taking 99 weeks of unemployment to go cruising is starting to look really appealing!;) I am sick of pulling the wagon for all the people who sit in it here in Maine.... Time to get some of my "wagon pulling"
funds back..:D

Interestingly enough I pay $30.00 per year for my mooring in front of the neighborhood. A $1000.00 tax on a $30.00 mooring is not a 10% tax it is a 3333% TAX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These morons can't even do basic math..:eek: How about a 30 footer paying $2700.00 per season? That becomes 37% tax!!

Oh and how about the thousands of private docks in the state? How do they pay? Some don't even have boats, just docks? These owners ALREADY pay HEFTY taxes to be on the water. My next door neighbor pays $27k per year in property taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now another $1000.00 if she has a dock and a boat?? WTF!

Once again it is just the small businesses, on the ocean, already struggling to make a buck, who will suffer? Oh and Sebago, Mooshead, China Lake and all the hundreds of other fresh water marinas skate on this tax?

If this happens I WILL become a lobsterman again. Only I will have one "token" trap, or what ever it takes to be classified as "commercial" in order to evade the oppressive taxes this state, oops republic;), imposes on me..:cussing::cussing:

C'mon Gail, it's a Friday and you go and get me all riled up....:D:D
 

Mulf

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Dec 2, 2003
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Hunter 410 Chester, MD (Kent Island)
As soon as the author said...

"It seems everyone agrees that Maine does not have a revenue problem, but we have a huge spending problem" and then started talking about a new source of revenue I would have stopped reading if it were anywhere but this site. He's no better than a snake oil salesman.
 

Gail R

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Apr 22, 2009
261
Pearson 34 Freeport, ME
NOTHING in the PRM (People's Republic of Maine) C'mon Gail, it's a Friday and you go and get me all riled up....:D:D
Sorry MS... this was actually in yesterday's paper, should have posted it then and you would have had a whole day to calm down before the weekend! :D

I looked up our local coastal waters ordinance and the guys who keep the clamming skiffs/dingies on the town dock have to pay $50 per year. So $1000 tax on that would be (drum roll)...... 2000% ?

Seriously, I'd like to think that most legislators would see right through this and not even put their name on it, but I'm probably dreaming. The reader comments on this were pretty entertaining, though.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Re: As soon as the author said...

Anytime you have a large pool of money you will have a school of sharks close by. I am a firm believer in a pay as you go system with bonds for capital projects only.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,085
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
So far down here, the additional boating fees have not been too punitive.. We don’t pay a property tax on boats and don’t pay slip taxes directly. There is a 4% sales tax on boats less than 10 years old. Of course the Marina pays taxes and passes them on through slip fees, but again we are pretty lucky..My slip fee is $130 a month which includes power and water and a WiFi spot. The only thing that caused some pain lately was a requirement that we register documented boats with the state wildlife and fisheries folks.. I started getting geared up to start a little campaign to contest the new fee, but when I found out that the Wildlife and Fisheries department is completely “self financing” from fees and licenses (the state budget has no dollars in it for them, nor can the state take dollars from them), I stopped my campaign; they do a lot of good for the state. The graduated fee is $67 for a 34 foot boat for three years.. and $57 for a 30 foot boat.. Not bad ..
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
i dont have a dog in this fight YET...but i am sure i will have one some where in the next year or so ......this smells of gross stupidty...but on the other hand it may be a test to see if thay can pull it off some where down the line....but i can assure you of one thing this make my arse crave stove wood ....just my 2 cents......

regards

woody
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Thank God all of us who own boats are filthy rich. You may have read my post last month about all the $100 bills I keep in my boat causing the waterline to come up over the boot stripe and cause a nasty green line.
 
Jul 17, 2006
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Oday 302 Port Henry
Tax the Rich.

Tax The rich! If your not on welfair and food stamps they think your rich. Generate class envy then exploit it.
 
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