Ok I'm perplexed? Changed the oil in my perkins 4 108 this weekend. pumped out ~4 quarts. and put back ~4 quarts, oil level was on the dipstick. Started the engine and it ran fine. When I checked the dipstick again, there was no oil level registering at all on the dip stick. So I added half a quart for a total of 4.5 quarts and still nothing registering on the stick. Do I add more oil? This was more than I took out? where is the oil going? I can not find any oil leaks?
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High-Level Filter Keeping oil clean and mean by Chris Caswell We've all heard about the 2,000 mile per gallon carburetors that have been suppressed out of fear by the gasoline companies, so I was more than a little skeptical when I first heard about an oil purifier that would eliminate all oil changes while keeping your engine oil in new condition for years at a time. But the more I examined the product and its history, the more I realized that it might be a boon for boat owners rather than just another tall tale. Manufactured by Refineco (3553 N.W. 10th Ave, Oakland Park, FL 33309), the Purifiner is a combination oil filter and portable oil cracking refinery that works in conjunction with your normal flow-through filters to remove both solid particles and fluid impurities from your lubrication oil. Under engine pressure, oil enters the bottom of the Purifiner tank and passes through a replaceable cotton filter at the rate of about 6 gallons per hour which, because it moves at a slower rate than through normal filters, removes solids such as metal particles as well as absorbing sulphur and neutralizing acids in the cellulose. Exiting from the top of the filter chamber, the oil flows in a thin film over a heated plate (180-200 degrees) where fuel and other liquid contaminants are evaporated, and the purified oil then returns to the engine. But does it really work? You bet, says Byron Lefebvre, president and CEO of Refineco, who cites a long list of happy customers. At the Powell Brothers Barge Terminal in Dania, Florida, the tug Seahawk has used Purifiners since early 1981, running up 8,000 hours on the Detroit Diesel 12V149 main engines and 9,000 hours on the Detroit 3-71 generator power plants ... all without an oil change or a breakdown. Defebvre also points out that this is not light duty usage, either, since the tug runs flat out under load most of the time, which should seriously dirty the 220 quart capacity of the main lubrication systems. In another case, a Detroit Diesel went 70,000 hours without an oil change and, when the captain finally dropped the oil pan, he found that the rod and main bearings looked like new. On new Cummins-powered NavStar trucks with Purifiners used by a division of Anheuser-Busch, the oils were analyzed after 200,000 miles without a change by three independent testing services (including Cummins of Michigan) and were found to have original viscosity and no corrective action was required. Other users of the Purifiners includes Hertz-Penske on their small and midsize trucks (and soon on their trans-continental trucks) as well as such diverse operations as Disneyworld and Jacques Cousteau's Calypso. But, as Lefebvre readily admits, there are a lot of skeptics about such a major change in traditional engine maintenance. One critic is Bill Runkle of Valvoline, who points out that modern engine oils are filled with additives which deplete during the normal life of the oil and which the Purifiner would not replenish. Dispersants, for example, help to keep particles in suspension and, when the particles are filtered out, the dispersants are removed as well. Anti-wear additives function by breaking down chemically and reacting with metal surfaces to reduce wear and are therefore used up in the period covered by normal oil changes. Says Runkle, "The big limitation (to the Purifiner) is additive depletion. Long term, you're probably going to have engine problems." Defebvre, of course disagrees, noting that in the process of changing the filter element, new oil will be added and the system may need to be topped up occasionally, thus providing new additives. "If you have pure oil, you already have the best anti-wear substance available." He also notes that additives are used for protection as the oil in a conventional system gets dirty while, with the Purifiner, you're always running clean oil so there is less need for additives and they will be depleted at a much slower rate. His best argument, of course, is simply to have the engine oil analyzed. "Install a Purifiner and, when you would normally change your oil, have it analyzed and do what the lab tells you. Our experience has proven that your oil will pass with flying colors." Although the main thrust of the marketing effort has been into the automotive and industrial fields of trucks, buses, and construction equipment as well as stationary industrial power plants, they are now committed to expansion in the pleasure boat field. Purifiners are presently available in sizes from 8- to 220-quart capacities with epoxy coated steel cannisters (guaranteed 10 years), and an all stainless-steel Purifiner will soon be introduced specifically for pleasure boats. The heating elements, also guaranteed 10 years, are available in 12 and 24VDC as well as 110 and 220VAC. Cost, of course, is a big concern but there is no question that the Purifiner would provide big savings to the boat owner. The 40 quart capacity Purifiner with a 6-mil black epoxy coating retails for $379 complete. When you multiply the cost of oil changes (plus the labor for the mechanic in his truck at your marina), it becomes obvious that a Purifiner will pay for itself quickly as well as reduce the mess and downtime from your boat. © Copyright 2008 Dominion Enterprises. All rights reserved.
High-Level Filter Keeping oil clean and mean by Chris Caswell We've all heard about the 2,000 mile per gallon carburetors that have been suppressed out of fear by the gasoline companies, so I was more than a little skeptical when I first heard about an oil purifier that would eliminate all oil changes while keeping your engine oil in new condition for years at a time. But the more I examined the product and its history, the more I realized that it might be a boon for boat owners rather than just another tall tale. Manufactured by Refineco (3553 N.W. 10th Ave, Oakland Park, FL 33309), the Purifiner is a combination oil filter and portable oil cracking refinery that works in conjunction with your normal flow-through filters to remove both solid particles and fluid impurities from your lubrication oil. Under engine pressure, oil enters the bottom of the Purifiner tank and passes through a replaceable cotton filter at the rate of about 6 gallons per hour which, because it moves at a slower rate than through normal filters, removes solids such as metal particles as well as absorbing sulphur and neutralizing acids in the cellulose. Exiting from the top of the filter chamber, the oil flows in a thin film over a heated plate (180-200 degrees) where fuel and other liquid contaminants are evaporated, and the purified oil then returns to the engine. But does it really work? You bet, says Byron Lefebvre, president and CEO of Refineco, who cites a long list of happy customers. At the Powell Brothers Barge Terminal in Dania, Florida, the tug Seahawk has used Purifiners since early 1981, running up 8,000 hours on the Detroit Diesel 12V149 main engines and 9,000 hours on the Detroit 3-71 generator power plants ... all without an oil change or a breakdown. Defebvre also points out that this is not light duty usage, either, since the tug runs flat out under load most of the time, which should seriously dirty the 220 quart capacity of the main lubrication systems. In another case, a Detroit Diesel went 70,000 hours without an oil change and, when the captain finally dropped the oil pan, he found that the rod and main bearings looked like new. On new Cummins-powered NavStar trucks with Purifiners used by a division of Anheuser-Busch, the oils were analyzed after 200,000 miles without a change by three independent testing services (including Cummins of Michigan) and were found to have original viscosity and no corrective action was required. Other users of the Purifiners includes Hertz-Penske on their small and midsize trucks (and soon on their trans-continental trucks) as well as such diverse operations as Disneyworld and Jacques Cousteau's Calypso. But, as Lefebvre readily admits, there are a lot of skeptics about such a major change in traditional engine maintenance. One critic is Bill Runkle of Valvoline, who points out that modern engine oils are filled with additives which deplete during the normal life of the oil and which the Purifiner would not replenish. Dispersants, for example, help to keep particles in suspension and, when the particles are filtered out, the dispersants are removed as well. Anti-wear additives function by breaking down chemically and reacting with metal surfaces to reduce wear and are therefore used up in the period covered by normal oil changes. Says Runkle, "The big limitation (to the Purifiner) is additive depletion. Long term, you're probably going to have engine problems." Defebvre, of course disagrees, noting that in the process of changing the filter element, new oil will be added and the system may need to be topped up occasionally, thus providing new additives. "If you have pure oil, you already have the best anti-wear substance available." He also notes that additives are used for protection as the oil in a conventional system gets dirty while, with the Purifiner, you're always running clean oil so there is less need for additives and they will be depleted at a much slower rate. His best argument, of course, is simply to have the engine oil analyzed. "Install a Purifiner and, when you would normally change your oil, have it analyzed and do what the lab tells you. Our experience has proven that your oil will pass with flying colors." Although the main thrust of the marketing effort has been into the automotive and industrial fields of trucks, buses, and construction equipment as well as stationary industrial power plants, they are now committed to expansion in the pleasure boat field. Purifiners are presently available in sizes from 8- to 220-quart capacities with epoxy coated steel cannisters (guaranteed 10 years), and an all stainless-steel Purifiner will soon be introduced specifically for pleasure boats. The heating elements, also guaranteed 10 years, are available in 12 and 24VDC as well as 110 and 220VAC. Cost, of course, is a big concern but there is no question that the Purifiner would provide big savings to the boat owner. The 40 quart capacity Purifiner with a 6-mil black epoxy coating retails for $379 complete. When you multiply the cost of oil changes (plus the labor for the mechanic in his truck at your marina), it becomes obvious that a Purifiner will pay for itself quickly as well as reduce the mess and downtime from your boat. © Copyright 2008 Dominion Enterprises. All rights reserved.
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4-108 oil change
If your 4-108 is like mine, the filter is upside down and drains into the pan when not used.. The owners manual states to start the motor and run for a short time and then check the oil level. this will fill the filter. Depending on the pan your motor came with, it could hold 4 to 6 quarts. Remember that the perkins motor was olny used on about 6 percent of marine use. I've found that many of the replacement parts are found at your local tractor dealer. Including extra injectors, lift pumps, and replacement filters
If your 4-108 is like mine, the filter is upside down and drains into the pan when not used.. The owners manual states to start the motor and run for a short time and then check the oil level. this will fill the filter. Depending on the pan your motor came with, it could hold 4 to 6 quarts. Remember that the perkins motor was olny used on about 6 percent of marine use. I've found that many of the replacement parts are found at your local tractor dealer. Including extra injectors, lift pumps, and replacement filters
Oil problem
I found the problem.. 1)what happened to the oil... The reason it didn't show up on the dip stick, I did not wait long enough to let the oil settle to oil pan. an hour is not long enough apparently. I checked the oil the NEXT DAY and the level was right on ... 2) Also, did some research. The Refinico / Puradyn / purafilter etc is an add on oil filter that was disconnected on my engine. I have a small (~1 quart) unit. One of the power cables was not connected and the high pressure value closed.. Apparently, these units are still available and the filters can still be purchased .. I contacted the company in florida and they were extremely helpful. I plan to get it working again.. More info :
I found the problem.. 1)what happened to the oil... The reason it didn't show up on the dip stick, I did not wait long enough to let the oil settle to oil pan. an hour is not long enough apparently. I checked the oil the NEXT DAY and the level was right on ... 2) Also, did some research. The Refinico / Puradyn / purafilter etc is an add on oil filter that was disconnected on my engine. I have a small (~1 quart) unit. One of the power cables was not connected and the high pressure value closed.. Apparently, these units are still available and the filters can still be purchased .. I contacted the company in florida and they were extremely helpful. I plan to get it working again.. More info :
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