Oil canning? I need beer canning

Casagf66

Casagf66

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Nov 12, 2014
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Jeanneau 42 Northport
Hello sailors and thanks for the help in advance.

Here is my most recent dilemma, "oil canning."
I am in the middle of purchasing a 1986 Irwin 35.5 citation, from her original owner. It seems to be a fine boat and I believe it will suite me well as a coastal cruiser / live aboard.

However, my surveyor failed to pick up on some slight oil canning at the mid way point of the vessel directly aligned with the stringers for the shroud chain plates. It seems as though the shrouds have pulled the hull inward, starboard and port. These dimples are approximately 2' high by 1' wide.
Should I run!? Or is this not the end of the world.

The surveyor did make the following reconditions:
1) Ruder is loose / needs repair: After looking into this more it seems as though the shaft is worn out and the plastic roller bushings are visible from bellow. There is also play at the top and bottom of the shaft. (?Thoughts/Recommendations ?)
2) Change the rigging (steel cabled) because they are over 12 years old. (is this true?)
3) Replace the stuffing and cutlas bearing. (Recommendations)
4) Replace all the running lines due to age. (Recommendations)


With this being said what are your thoughts.
Also does anyone has experience with the 35.5 citation, how does she sail?
There is very little talk of this boat on the web.
 

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TENACITY CS36T

TENACITY CS36T

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Oct 1, 2011
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T PCYC Toronto
When you say "should I run" it would depend on the price, if you haven't purchased yet why not get a few quotes for all or some of the repairs and use as leverage on striking a fair deal for all. That way you know what your in for, or what the repair people say as well.
I'm sure you'll get plenty of useful info here, good luck!
 
FastOlson

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Apr 8, 2010
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Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
Yup, pretty much...

#1 sounds like an expensive project, in your time or your money. Something that the PO knew about and chose to ignore.
#2, 3, and 4 sound proper. While you might put off the running rigging for a while, the standing rig is probably due for replacement. Again, the PO made a conscious decision to pass this expense along to the next owner...

You might want to get some good $ estimates for the work needed, subtract them from the asking, and offer the difference.

Keep in mind that Irwins were not a high-end production boat in any case, so you just have to decide if it meets your needs or not.

Loren
 
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Ray Bowles

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Oct 6, 2008
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Hunter, Island Packet, Catalina, San Juan 26,38,22,23 Kettle Falls, Washington
A 2" by 1" dimple is a very noticeable blemish on the side of a boat for a surveyor to miss, more so when next to the chainplate structure.
Number 1 could turn into a bag of worms when the rudder is dropped out. Whether or not water intrusion has caused structural damage is unknown.
I would get a new surveyor more qualified than the one you had for a solid survey that costs can be based on.
At the least I would let the owner repair number 1 before purchase.
Ray
 
Casagf66

Casagf66

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Nov 12, 2014
90
Jeanneau 42 Northport
Thank you

Gentlemen,

Thank you and yes, the boat is priced fare at 24,000 and I've gotten a estimate for fixing the rudder at approximately $7000. I've given this info to the owner and they are going to talk to the marina and see if they can get a better price, as they have kept the boat there for its entire life and they feel the estimate is to high..... But anyway, they will work with me In regards to the rudder and I hope to get this cost reduced from the purchase price.

However, the canning is a big concern for me. After telling them about what I noticed, we spent time with the yards men and they too confirm that there are signs of the hull pulling in at the previously mentioned area. After hearing this the owners have scheduled to have a personal friend who is a survey re-inspect the boat.

Still I am nervous that this canning will rear its ugly head at a bad time... Sailing in heavy seas on my way home from block island..... It just makes me a little nervous.

I would not mind reinforcing this my self with some glass, but I Don't know how much help that would do....
 
woodster

woodster

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Sep 15, 2009
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S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
on number 2 SECO South in Largo Fl is the place to go
on number 4 SBO is the place to go
 
Stan Breaux

Stan Breaux

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Feb 8, 2007
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Catalina 36 MKII Pensacola Beach, FL
Let it go.

That's a lot of money for a boat that is not very desirable. You will put a lot of money into it and probably keep finding more big things that need to be fixed.

You could get a hunter 37 Cherubini for that kind of money and have a boat that someone else would want to buy from you later.
 
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Chief RA

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Nov 26, 2012
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Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
There could be rot under the chain plates that is causing the dimpling since there may not be anything solid underneath to hold its shape. Chief
 
Casagf66

Casagf66

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Nov 12, 2014
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Jeanneau 42 Northport
I may be up too fixng this boat for the right price it is very nicely equipped, the sheets are mint and the motor is strong. more reasonable ?
 

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justsomeguy

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Feb 20, 2011
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Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Casagf66 said:
I may be up too fixng this boat for the right price it is very nicely equipped, the sheets are mint and the motor is strong. I will offer $14000. Thoughts? Would this bo more reasonable ?
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It's hard to form an opinion from such a distance, but, the artwork must go.
 
Casagf66

Casagf66

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Nov 12, 2014
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Jeanneau 42 Northport
This is all good advice . The oil caning is port and starboard 2 inches wide by 3 inches high. I will post a photo next time I see the boat.
 
woodster

woodster

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Sep 15, 2009
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S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
may i ask what the first picture in your op represents i can't make it out ...looks like a hole on the boat with i don't know what sticking through
 
Casagf66

Casagf66

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Nov 12, 2014
90
Jeanneau 42 Northport
Yes I can, the first picture is of the rudder shaft, where the rudder meets the hull of the boat. The owner had the rudder previously repaired and it was just a "temporary fix". Now the boat yard is saying I will cost about 8k to fix it right. The white cylinders hanging out are the rollers for the shaft.
 
woodster

woodster

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Sep 15, 2009
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S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
then i have to agree with Chris Patterson's recommendation of offering 8 g's and you stated that the sheets are in great shape were you talking about the sails
 
Casagf66

Casagf66

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Nov 12, 2014
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Jeanneau 42 Northport
Ok I will ofer that, but there is a chance that she will fix this on her on dime. If this is to happen would 8 still be your offer. The boat comes with two jibs, one Carbon fiber another is less the 6 years old and the main is original, but it was re-done about 4 years ago and they were all sent out to Doyle every couple of years for cleaning.
 
woodster

woodster

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Sep 15, 2009
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she will probably want the 24 if she is having the work done by her people...you may want to monitor the repair as in observer and not interrupt the workers...if the boat is whole when the repair is done then you are sorta looking at 20 to 24 based on the footage ....if you feel the boat is what you want then you will have to decide ...but i can tell you that if i was her and i had the work done depending on you buying the boat i would require a non refundable deposit of some sort say 4 grand ...what this does is keep you involve and committed to the deal ...not knowing you... its hard to say what you would or would not do....so don't take this as an insult just good business on each party's part ....... as for the sails the Mylar is for racing and will have no real value to a coastal cruiser other than back up in an emergency ....you can offer her 15 and have the work done your self and she will have sold the boat with no further ado ..then you will have a 9 grand budget to work with from the get go then every body wins based on the 24 grand price you were happy with in the beginning before the haul out ...just some things to think about here please don't take what i have said and cast it in stone ..just think it out as clearly as you possibly can ..and what ever you decide.... make sure you are going to be happy with your choice...its like falling down the hill its a long climb back to the top ....good luck
 
Casagf66

Casagf66

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Nov 12, 2014
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Jeanneau 42 Northport
woodster said:
she will probably want the 24 if she is having the work done by her people...you may want to monitor the repair as in observer and not interrupt the workers...if the boat is whole when the repair is done then you are sorta looking at 20 to 24 based on the footage ....if you feel the boat is what you want then you will have to decide ...but i can tell you that if i was her and i had the work done depending on you buying the boat i would require a non refundable deposit of some sort say 4 grand ...what this does is keep you involve and committed to the deal ...not knowing you... its hard to say what you would or would not do....so don't take this as an insult just good business on each party's part ....... as for the sails the Mylar is for racing and will have no real value to a coastal cruiser other than back up in an emergency ....you can offer her 15 and have the work done your self and she will have sold the boat with no further ado ..then you will have a 9 grand budget to work with from the get go then every body wins based on the 24 grand price you were happy with in the beginning before the haul out ...just some things to think about here please don't take what i have said and cast it in stone ..just think it out as clearly as you possibly can ..and what ever you decide.... make sure you are going to be happy with your choice...its like falling down the hill its a long climb back to the top ....good luck
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Thanks Woodster, I will think about this and renegotiate.
 
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