Hi: Any owners of this model I could chat with? Thinking about buying one and need some info. Thanks, Bill
O'Day Mariner - 19'
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O'Day Mariner 19
Bill, check out the link in this thread. I'm sure that you'll get a lot of useful info on the Mariner. Two of my pals in the yacht club own Mariners, and they love them. They're fast, easily trailered, and the small cuddy cabin offers protection in an unexpected rain storm. One of the guys and his wife, usually trailers their Mariner up to Lake Winnepasauki in New Hampshire every year on their vacation. The centerboards on these boats can have an issue, but outside of that, they are a great little sailboat. Check out the site, and good luck.
Bill, check out the link in this thread. I'm sure that you'll get a lot of useful info on the Mariner. Two of my pals in the yacht club own Mariners, and they love them. They're fast, easily trailered, and the small cuddy cabin offers protection in an unexpected rain storm. One of the guys and his wife, usually trailers their Mariner up to Lake Winnepasauki in New Hampshire every year on their vacation. The centerboards on these boats can have an issue, but outside of that, they are a great little sailboat. Check out the site, and good luck.
Mariner centerboard issue:
Bill, This an excerp from the site that I gave you. Don't let this scare you off buying this boat if it appeals to you. These are great little boats. I only bring it to your attention so that you can be aware of it, and know how to deal with it if by some remote chance you are ever confronted with the problem. I don't think that it's anything that can't be corrected by the average boat tinkerer. These boats aren't that heavy that you can't get them in a position to work on the board if you had to. Personally, I think that the Mariner is a great boat to have. Our club commodore owns a Bristol 27 that he uses quite a bit, but he and his wife would never part with their O'Day Mariner. Good Luck, Bill. Of the three the centerboard is the most difficult to maintain and repair. The first problem is to get access to the board. You must decide if you want to leave the board attached to the boat or remove it. In a previous article Paul Coward explained how to remove and reinstall the board. (But believe me, it comes out a lot easier than it goes in!) If you do not want to remove the board, you can put your boat on saw horses and dig a hole to allow the board to hang straight down. The most common maintenance problem with a centerboard is, over time, the board will rust and appears to flake apart. This is especially true for boats sailing in salt water. Large, flat scale can be removed by hitting the board with a hammer. Any repair work done to a board in this condition needs to have a solid metal surface as a starting point. Remove all the loose rust and flaking metal. Then , grind the surface with a grinding stone and high speed grinder. Equipment rental stores usually have what you need. Another approach is to sandblast the surface. You might be able to get it done at a local grave monument dealer or a car painting place like Maaco. In fact a place like Maaco might be willing to do both the surface preparation and the restoring. If you still want to repair it yourself, you must get raw metal exposed. Once exposed you need to coat it as soon as possible.
Bill, This an excerp from the site that I gave you. Don't let this scare you off buying this boat if it appeals to you. These are great little boats. I only bring it to your attention so that you can be aware of it, and know how to deal with it if by some remote chance you are ever confronted with the problem. I don't think that it's anything that can't be corrected by the average boat tinkerer. These boats aren't that heavy that you can't get them in a position to work on the board if you had to. Personally, I think that the Mariner is a great boat to have. Our club commodore owns a Bristol 27 that he uses quite a bit, but he and his wife would never part with their O'Day Mariner. Good Luck, Bill. Of the three the centerboard is the most difficult to maintain and repair. The first problem is to get access to the board. You must decide if you want to leave the board attached to the boat or remove it. In a previous article Paul Coward explained how to remove and reinstall the board. (But believe me, it comes out a lot easier than it goes in!) If you do not want to remove the board, you can put your boat on saw horses and dig a hole to allow the board to hang straight down. The most common maintenance problem with a centerboard is, over time, the board will rust and appears to flake apart. This is especially true for boats sailing in salt water. Large, flat scale can be removed by hitting the board with a hammer. Any repair work done to a board in this condition needs to have a solid metal surface as a starting point. Remove all the loose rust and flaking metal. Then , grind the surface with a grinding stone and high speed grinder. Equipment rental stores usually have what you need. Another approach is to sandblast the surface. You might be able to get it done at a local grave monument dealer or a car painting place like Maaco. In fact a place like Maaco might be willing to do both the surface preparation and the restoring. If you still want to repair it yourself, you must get raw metal exposed. Once exposed you need to coat it as soon as possible.
Centerboard
Thanks Joe. I read that too. Thanks againg for that link, I tried but couldn't find the 19' association. I am going to look at the boat in question this Saturday. I can see from the pictures that it needs some work, but I've brought other boats back and will probably do it again. My wife and I want to learn some sailing skill. We're going to take a class - on water - and need something to practice on during the week. Thanks for your help. Bill
Thanks Joe. I read that too. Thanks againg for that link, I tried but couldn't find the 19' association. I am going to look at the boat in question this Saturday. I can see from the pictures that it needs some work, but I've brought other boats back and will probably do it again. My wife and I want to learn some sailing skill. We're going to take a class - on water - and need something to practice on during the week. Thanks for your help. Bill
I had a 1969 Rhodes 19 which appears to be ....
the same boat with less cabin ... if it is an older boat carefully check the oak stringers for rot. Vic "Seven"
the same boat with less cabin ... if it is an older boat carefully check the oak stringers for rot. Vic "Seven"
Mariner
It's like Vic said, "the Mariner is a Rhodes with a cabin", so you know it's going to be a fast little boat. Almost every boat has it's issues, though. When I bought my O'Day 222 in the 1986 Boston Boat Show, it wasn't too long after I had owned it, that I started to find small voids in the gel coat in the cockpit. So much for quality control, I guess. The one biggest issue on this boat and some of the larger O'Days, was the rudder blade. They were molded in two halves, epoxied together, and pumped with foam. I broke two of these rudders. What the heck was O'Day thinking of when they built these rudders? So, I had Rudy Nickerson of D&R Marine, build me a solid rudder blade and the problem was solved. If I'd have known back then what I know now about this 222, I'd still buy this boat regardless of the issues. Good luck Bill!
It's like Vic said, "the Mariner is a Rhodes with a cabin", so you know it's going to be a fast little boat. Almost every boat has it's issues, though. When I bought my O'Day 222 in the 1986 Boston Boat Show, it wasn't too long after I had owned it, that I started to find small voids in the gel coat in the cockpit. So much for quality control, I guess. The one biggest issue on this boat and some of the larger O'Days, was the rudder blade. They were molded in two halves, epoxied together, and pumped with foam. I broke two of these rudders. What the heck was O'Day thinking of when they built these rudders? So, I had Rudy Nickerson of D&R Marine, build me a solid rudder blade and the problem was solved. If I'd have known back then what I know now about this 222, I'd still buy this boat regardless of the issues. Good luck Bill!
Mariner Info
Bill, I have a Mariner, although I actually haven't sailed it yet. I bought it last September and it needs some work before I can get into the water. In addition to the U.S. Mariner Association website, there is an active Yahoo group that is also dedicated to the Mariner (link below). I can also tell you that Mariner's are still in production and that parts for most Mariner's are still available. The current maker in Stuart Marine in Maine (www.stuartmarine.net). There are quite a few active fleets through out the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. Good luck, Dan
Bill, I have a Mariner, although I actually haven't sailed it yet. I bought it last September and it needs some work before I can get into the water. In addition to the U.S. Mariner Association website, there is an active Yahoo group that is also dedicated to the Mariner (link below). I can also tell you that Mariner's are still in production and that parts for most Mariner's are still available. The current maker in Stuart Marine in Maine (www.stuartmarine.net). There are quite a few active fleets through out the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. Good luck, Dan
Mariner in Maryland
Bill, Forgot to mention there is a Mariner on E-bay in Maryland if that is close by. The boat being auctioned is a fixed keel Mariner rather than the swing keel model. Dan
Bill, Forgot to mention there is a Mariner on E-bay in Maryland if that is close by. The boat being auctioned is a fixed keel Mariner rather than the swing keel model. Dan
A BIG Thanks for the replies
I think many boats with retractable keels have similar issues. That said, I guess I won't know until I look at the boat whether the keel is fixed or retractable. The boat I am looking at is the one dj mentioned. From the pix I cant wee a keel hanging down. And it looks like there is a trunk in the cockpit. Maybe someone can look at it and tell me, please. Vic - Are the stringers exposed? Are they easy to check? I've been boating for 30 years, but still always have questions when looking at something I've never seen before. I know my way around powerboats, but not sailboats that are almost as old as I am - being generous. :I will post the ebay link below if anyone would like to comment. The boat is actually in Delaware but registered in MD. I have a place in extreme southern DE,Bethany, so I'll go visit this weekend. Thanks again for all your help, Bill Sorry, I now see dj already attached link.
I think many boats with retractable keels have similar issues. That said, I guess I won't know until I look at the boat whether the keel is fixed or retractable. The boat I am looking at is the one dj mentioned. From the pix I cant wee a keel hanging down. And it looks like there is a trunk in the cockpit. Maybe someone can look at it and tell me, please. Vic - Are the stringers exposed? Are they easy to check? I've been boating for 30 years, but still always have questions when looking at something I've never seen before. I know my way around powerboats, but not sailboats that are almost as old as I am - being generous. :I will post the ebay link below if anyone would like to comment. The boat is actually in Delaware but registered in MD. I have a place in extreme southern DE,Bethany, so I'll go visit this weekend. Thanks again for all your help, Bill Sorry, I now see dj already attached link.
Mariner
Bill, The Mariner in the pictures looks like a centerboard boat. I can see the centerboard trunk in the picture. When you look it over, check all the stays to make sure there aren't any broken strands in them. Check out the turnbuckles to make sure there are no hairline cracks or bent fittings. Look the rudder over good, and the pintles on the rudder. Check the gudgeons out on the stern where the rudder pintles fit in to hang the rudder. Look it over good, especially the mast and boom. Lay the sails out and check them over good. Like Dan mentioned though, Stuart Marine builds a Mariner from that exact same mold as the O'Day, that might be worth looking into. I think that these Mariners are a lot easier to trailer than the Compact 16 or O'Day 192, and you can use a normal size car to tow them. That tandem trailer in the picture looks ideal for anyone who is going to do any long distance trailering with that boat. Normally, a single axle would do for this size boat. If you know of anyone that is familiar with sailboats, bring him or her along. Two heads are always better than one. This boat doesn't look too bad in the pictures. I wish you the best of luck, Bill. Regards, Joe
Bill, The Mariner in the pictures looks like a centerboard boat. I can see the centerboard trunk in the picture. When you look it over, check all the stays to make sure there aren't any broken strands in them. Check out the turnbuckles to make sure there are no hairline cracks or bent fittings. Look the rudder over good, and the pintles on the rudder. Check the gudgeons out on the stern where the rudder pintles fit in to hang the rudder. Look it over good, especially the mast and boom. Lay the sails out and check them over good. Like Dan mentioned though, Stuart Marine builds a Mariner from that exact same mold as the O'Day, that might be worth looking into. I think that these Mariners are a lot easier to trailer than the Compact 16 or O'Day 192, and you can use a normal size car to tow them. That tandem trailer in the picture looks ideal for anyone who is going to do any long distance trailering with that boat. Normally, a single axle would do for this size boat. If you know of anyone that is familiar with sailboats, bring him or her along. Two heads are always better than one. This boat doesn't look too bad in the pictures. I wish you the best of luck, Bill. Regards, Joe
The new Stuart boats use fiberglass stringers ...
I don't know if the later Oday R19s ever switched ... yes you just take out the floor boards and look at the ribs on the bottom ... Problem with non self bailing boats is that fresh water sits sometimes a long time in the bottom and that can be a problem. I think Stuart supplies the parts if you ever needed them. I always thought the 19 was a great boat ... especially when the rudder buzzed at top speed. I had a wooden rudder that cracked and I just encapsulated it with cloth and West Epoxy ... solid as a rock. Vic "Seven"
I don't know if the later Oday R19s ever switched ... yes you just take out the floor boards and look at the ribs on the bottom ... Problem with non self bailing boats is that fresh water sits sometimes a long time in the bottom and that can be a problem. I think Stuart supplies the parts if you ever needed them. I always thought the 19 was a great boat ... especially when the rudder buzzed at top speed. I had a wooden rudder that cracked and I just encapsulated it with cloth and West Epoxy ... solid as a rock. Vic "Seven"
O'day 192 vs. Mariner
Bill, I have owned an O'day 19 (1979 model) and I presently own an O'day 192. If you're looking at the Mariner, I'd suggest looking at the 192 also. The 192 is the last boat in this size range and was made between approx. 1981 and 1987. It is a newer, more modern, updated version on the Mariner. I sail the boat almose exclusively by myself and find it very easy to sail solo. The cabin accomodations are better than the Mariner in my opinion. You can find the 192 in various conditions and variuosly equipped for $3000 to $ 5000 for the boat, trailer and OB. I paid $3500 for mine in 2004 with a trailer and OB. I replaced the sails last summer but did so mainly because I wanted to replace the original worn out roller furler. I'd recommend the 192 all things being equal. On the other side, I have seen several Mariners around for very cheap prices - obviously needing some work. Good luck and ask any questions you may have. Tim
Bill, I have owned an O'day 19 (1979 model) and I presently own an O'day 192. If you're looking at the Mariner, I'd suggest looking at the 192 also. The 192 is the last boat in this size range and was made between approx. 1981 and 1987. It is a newer, more modern, updated version on the Mariner. I sail the boat almose exclusively by myself and find it very easy to sail solo. The cabin accomodations are better than the Mariner in my opinion. You can find the 192 in various conditions and variuosly equipped for $3000 to $ 5000 for the boat, trailer and OB. I paid $3500 for mine in 2004 with a trailer and OB. I replaced the sails last summer but did so mainly because I wanted to replace the original worn out roller furler. I'd recommend the 192 all things being equal. On the other side, I have seen several Mariners around for very cheap prices - obviously needing some work. Good luck and ask any questions you may have. Tim
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