Oday 34 transmission removal

May 30, 2006
350
Oday 34 Chesapeake Bay
Was wondering if anyone has experience pulling a gearbox out of a 34 ODay?
Karma's transmission is having trouble getting engaged in forward gear. Is slipping as evidenced by no forward power. I can get it fully engaged by shifting into neutral and back into forward and/or slowing to idle then increasing throttle. Prop shaft turns freely, and I've adjusted the shift lever to cable to insure a complete throw into gear. Recent fluid changed showed nice red ATF color so no evidence of overheating. Really don't want to pull it...but certainly don't want to get caught needing it and not having it, either.
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
stu this appears to be a double post as in 2 different place at the same time if you ever see 3 or for of the same post it is more than likely a spammer doing his thing
 
May 30, 2006
350
Oday 34 Chesapeake Bay
Thanks Stu. It's a Universal Diesel 5424 with a Hurth HBW 10-2R transmission.

Yes, indeed this is a double post. Sorry, it was suggested that I re-post my query on this forum.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,016
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
This is a candidate for Mr. Google, really. There were a series of Hurth transmissions that gave owners headaches, go figure. For example, both the C34s and C36s came with the same engines and transmissions, but more C36 skippers had trouble with their damper plates than our C34 folks ever did, for essentially the same boats. The C310 skippers here on this forum (they have their own separate section) have also reported issues and SOLUTIONS. The engines may be different (i.e., M25, M25XP and M25XPB) but the Hurth issues are identical. IIRC, there are two different damper plate replacement vendors, and one is far superior to the other.

This is one of those: while you're in there you should replace... issues.

Yes, indeed this is a double post. Sorry, it was suggested that I re-post my query on this forum.
That's why I use: All Forums All Discussions so we get to see everything. Much easier than doing duplicate posts. You can't [edited to correct] actually post a new thread on that option, but you get to see everything from all forums that get posted.

Happy hunting, good luck.
 
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Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
I recommended Scott post here versus the O'Day forum as a better place to connect with mechanics. Sorry Woody, this is a legitimate post. Stu is your Catalina website a source for transmission info?
 
May 30, 2006
350
Oday 34 Chesapeake Bay
Received a PM with a request for info about my experiences with removal and replacing the gearbox in my O'Day 34 so thought that I'd post the same here.

As Hurth is no longer manufactured the suggested replacements is the ZF version. In my research I discovered that the ZF is not a direct replacement because the vertical drop between the input and output is different which means that adjusting the engine height and radical prop shaft realignment would be necessary which is something that I didn't want to get involved with... turns out that I had to move the engine anyway to get the gearbox out. I found a used Hurth 10 2R from a fellow forum poster so agreed on a price and delivery. A bit chancy I know, however the person was a fellow poster so thought it was worth the risk... so far so good. I used about a gallon of transmission fluid to fill and drain the gearbox to flush out any impurities, don't recall that there was much there.

So here's the story:
The Hurth is bolted from the inside of the bell housing so it had to be removed. I pulled Karma thinking that I could remove the gearbox without moving the engine by loosening the prop coupling and moving the prop shaft back far enough. Turns out that the gearbox bottomed out on the engine pan after moving less than 1/4". . If I do it again I'll not bother to put Karma on the hard and will just move the engine forward while still in the slip. Moving the engine was no big deal. Scribe the location of the mounts; remove the engine mount bolts; tie a line to the front engine bolt; run the line from the engine around the mast and out the companionway; rig a bridle between the headsail winches and crank away until you hear the engine move.

Many suggest to replace the damping plate while you have the gearbox removed. The cost is about $250 so I simply inspected it for broken springs and satisfied myself that replacement was not necessary. Karma's damping plate was all metal, whereas it seems that some use hard rubber instead of springs, perhaps that's why replacement is suggested?

Realigning the prop shaft was not too much of an issue as well. I'm glad that I learned how to do it. Simply use a feeler gauge to insure that the shaft coupling faces come together at the same time. There are some good instructions on the internet about the process...as well as some very complicated methods as well. I think that the challenge for shaft alignment is related more to those instances where the shaft goes through several cutlass bearings. The O'Day 34's shaft isn't long enough to be too much of an issue to realign. Check the gap using a gauge to insure that the mounting faces of the coupler are no more than 0.004" out of alignment. It helps to have a buddy adjust the mounts while you measure as you will have to go through a few iterations to get it right. Since I pulled Karma and aligned it on the hard, then again when she was floated, I checked and made a final adjustment after a few weeks back in the water. There was a bit of change, but not significant.

I took a lot of pictures and have posted them as an album on Google: https://goo.gl/photos/Fe7tQ8VLxVjNiEGb8
 
Sep 23, 2009
1,475
O'Day 34-At Last Rock Hall, Md
Thanks for posting. Very clever. How did you move the engine back in place?
 
May 30, 2006
350
Oday 34 Chesapeake Bay
Thanks, I was determined to get the gearbox out and didn't bring my come-along with me. The rails of the engine pan are angled aft so it was easy to nudge the engine back in place. I don't recall having any issues with insuring that it didn't go to far back.