Oday 23 wiring advice - cabin to mast

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Oct 22, 2012
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Oday 23 Bristol RI
I am looking to replace the electrical wiring on my 1980 Oday 23. Does anyone have any advice on wiring that goes from the cabin to the mast? It seems that its installed inside the cabin separator wood panel but im not sure, if it is, then it seems that it will be very hard to access.

Has anyone removed the cabin separator peice? Im not sure how to do it.

thanks!
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Do you plan on replacing the wire all the way back to the load center? Does your cabin have a fabric headliner? Pictures would help.
My 86 O'Day 222 has a fabric liner and the wires are buried under it throughout the cabin. They're still like new but there is no way I could ever replace them without tearing out the liner.
With that said though, years ago when I lost my mast out off Newport, I had a new mast made up with a whole lot of changes including a steaming light installed 2/3s of the way up the mast, a foolish decision I regret to this day. This meant having to run one or two extra wires to feed my mast lights. I had already run a coaxial cable from the VHF radio to a thru-hull coax fitting near my mast tabernacle anyway, so two more conductors wouldn't make that much more difference.
What I'm implying is that if you need to run wires in the later model O'Days with headliners, you're better off leaving the old conductors in place and running your new wires via a route less conspicuous like the upper inside edge of the settees, or behind bolsters.

I could probably go back to my existing wiring to feed my mast as I had removed my steaming light several years ago. Two years ago I removed the two hideous looking dome lights in my cabin and went to self contained LED lights. I didn't want to cut the red and black feed wires to these lights so I took a Phillips screwdriver and stuck it in under the head liner along side of the conductors to separate the glued head liner and create a small pocket to hide the wires and this worked out great. Believe me, those wires are glued under that headline and there's no way to remove them.
If you can't get at the wires to extend them or do what you need to do, you're better off running wires from a different route.
If you think you can access them by removing a wood panel, look for a way of removing that panel without removing too much of it. Try to find the bungs which are hiding the screws to it.
Several years ago I removed every piece of wood from inside my cabin to stain and varnish it. There are ways of removing the wood without taking it apart piece by piece and having to replace all the bungs. I was able to do this by carefully examining it and coming up with a way of removing large pieces of it. This is probably what you may need to do.
I don't have a 23 so I really can't offer you the answers that you seek, but when I was working on my O'Day 222 I didn't know of anyone who owned one that knew any more than I did about how it was put together. All I can say is good luck!
Joe
 
Apr 25, 2010
104
Oday 22 Wellfleet MA
Wiring cabin to mast

I have to do the same thing this spring. I agree with Joe. Pretend there isn't any wiring installed . Plan a totally new approach from the source to the mast
 
Oct 10, 2009
1,038
Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
The wiring is sandwiched between the deck and the cabin liner; you won't find it by removing the bulkhead. The only place where it is accessible in the cabin top is near the tabernacle where it goes up through the deck and there isn't much there to work with. Better to run it along the top of the bulkhead, but I am not sure what path it takes aft of that point, so locating the proper place to splice in may be a bear. Probably easier to just replace the whole thing, back to the panel.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
If by some chance you should find a pair of wires that you can tap into, make sure that you ring them out with a volt meter because there is also another pair of wires that go to your bow light in that same area and you would need to tap into the right pair, preferably the pair coming off the switch marked "Anchor Light" or "Mast Light."
 
Oct 22, 2012
9
Oday 23 Bristol RI
thanks for everyones input. It sounds to me like I should just leave the old wiring in place and put in a new cable. A few months after I purchased the boat, I found it had core damage around the mast mount so I already cut open the skin and am about to install some new core wood.

Ill probably just fiberglass over the old wiring port and drill a new one a few inches away to where I can actually drill a proper hole.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
That sounds like a plan. Good luck! Maybe I'll see you out off of Bristol this year. Just look for an O'Day 222 towing a small green kayak. My First Mate is a brindle terrier.

Joe
 
Oct 2, 2008
1,424
Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
RIOday88,
running new cable is the best way to go. A few things that helped me rewire My Girl:
1. Sailboat Electrics, by don casey (or his book This Old Boat, which has the same thing in it)
2. Wire crimper and stripper, when i discovered these they changed my life! haha
3.and the best place to buy cable and connectors that I have found is Genuindealz.com.
Have Fun,
keith
 

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Oct 2, 2008
1,424
Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
thanks for everyones input. It sounds to me like I should just leave the old wiring in place and put in a new cable. A few months after I purchased the boat, I found it had core damage around the mast mount so I already cut open the skin and am about to install some new core wood.

Ill probably just fiberglass over the old wiring port and drill a new one a few inches away to where I can actually drill a proper hole.
you might find my album interesting regarding the core damage at the mast.http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/album.php?albumid=645
keith
 
Oct 2, 2008
1,424
Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
Kieth,
What crimpers did you buy?
Ward I am pretty sure it was an earlier version of this one. Search "ratchet crimped". I ordered mine off amazon.com the stripper is by the same company. Adequate is how I would describe the quality.
 

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Sep 30, 2009
66
Oday 23 Up Nort'n WI
I rewired mine

I am looking to replace the electrical wiring on my 1980 Oday 23. Does anyone have any advice on wiring that goes from the cabin to the mast? It seems that its installed inside the cabin separator wood panel but im not sure, if it is, then it seems that it will be very hard to access.

Has anyone removed the cabin separator peice? Im not sure how to do it.

thanks!
I rewired my 78 Oday 23 last winter. I rewired the mast with a new anchor light, steaming/work light combo, and Metz antenna with windex. I suspended the top wiring from a stainless steel cable puller to keep things in place. I used foam pipe insulaton to eliminate the slap. At the base, I used 5 wire marine mast cable (about 3 feet is plenty) , and ran that and the coax through a cable clam that I ordered right here. I pulled the top part of the headliner fabric down, and fished new wires from the panel back past the starboard bulkhead. I used male and female crinp on wire disconnects to join the mast pigtail and the new wires. As added protection, I used plasic wire loom around the new wiring I pulled. The coax is joined by a double ended female barrel connector. I then used stainless screws with upolstery rings to put that headliner back up.
Fishing the wires is a piece of cake. You can just stick the snake up through the rear corner of the bulkhead, and easily guide it along where you will see the existing wiring.
I like that there are no connectors out in the weather and in an emergency, you will have easy access to your mast light wiring. Mine comes out in the little cabinet above the porta potty. A 12 volt lantern battery is a good thing to have on board. Test your mast lights with a 12v source before you put the mast up.
I would be happy to answer any questions you have.
Everyones advice about good tools is right on the money.
Mike
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
3,776
Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Mike, How do you disconnect the wiring to remove the mast? Do the disconnects pull up through the cable clam?
 
Sep 30, 2009
66
Oday 23 Up Nort'n WI
I would do it again.

Mike, How do you disconnect the wiring to remove the mast? Do the disconnects pull up through the cable clam?
Hi Ward,
Yes the disconnects pull up through. The Newmar DX-3 is a 1.65" hole and allows multiple cables. I did stagger the disconnects which proved to be totally unecessary. You drill the rubber plug for the cable sizes. you then slit the rubber between the holes you created to the outside of the plug. So when you install the cables after putting the mast up, the slits allow you to slip the plug over the cables. This way you don't have to remove the coax connector. There are very specific instructions for the distance between the holes, and distance to the edges. Do yourself a favor and run the coax through as well. The wires are hardly noticeable running along the top of the bulkhead. It is necessary for me to put the PL-259 through the hole first, then put the larger cable through.
It works great. Now that I see how it all functions, I may use a terminal box, or fuse box, and clean things up a bit. You may chuckle at this, but the hardest part was drilling the holes through the rubber plug! Drill press, new bit, drill vise, clamps,what a PITA! I have to contact Newmar and get the secret. I was ready to take the thing to a place with a laser. As ragged as the holes are, it does not leak. You will gain a real appreciation for how well the cabin top is made when you drill the hole for the unit. It is built like a truck.
If you have any questions about the job, please feel free to fire away.
Mike
 
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