Hello other 26 owners. I bought me an Hunter 26 in desember and have just started to sail with the boat. I experience that the haliyards inside the mast make some noise that irritate the neighbours to the marina. Have some of you a solution to this problem? I will be very happy for good advices. Tom L Haaland
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Ron Mehringer
Pipe insulation
Had the same problemon my '97 h26. I drilled out the rivets and removed the mast base. Get some water pipe insulation at a hardware store. It will have a slit down the length of it. Push the insulation into the mast such that the wires and cables go into the slit in the insulation and end up in the hollow center. As you get to the end of each section of pipe insulation, the wires should be full contained within it. Just keep adding sections until you can't push any more of them up into the mast. This means that you've reached the spreaders. To do the upper part of the mast, you have to repeat the procedure from the top end. Can't remember if I did that or not. Probably did. Has worked great for me. Ron Mehringer h26 Hydro-Therapy
Had the same problemon my '97 h26. I drilled out the rivets and removed the mast base. Get some water pipe insulation at a hardware store. It will have a slit down the length of it. Push the insulation into the mast such that the wires and cables go into the slit in the insulation and end up in the hollow center. As you get to the end of each section of pipe insulation, the wires should be full contained within it. Just keep adding sections until you can't push any more of them up into the mast. This means that you've reached the spreaders. To do the upper part of the mast, you have to repeat the procedure from the top end. Can't remember if I did that or not. Probably did. Has worked great for me. Ron Mehringer h26 Hydro-Therapy
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Mark
Are you sure it is the halyards?
For often it is the mast head electrical wire that slops around and there is an easy fix. Check the arhives or email me.
For often it is the mast head electrical wire that slops around and there is an easy fix. Check the arhives or email me.
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joe rallo
Halyards on the outside most
likely banging on the outside of the mast. When we spend the night on the boat and if its noisy, I just run the halyards away from the mast or get a bungie cord and wrap around haylards and shrouds. This helps us sleep at night. Good luck with the new boat!
likely banging on the outside of the mast. When we spend the night on the boat and if its noisy, I just run the halyards away from the mast or get a bungie cord and wrap around haylards and shrouds. This helps us sleep at night. Good luck with the new boat!
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Tom
First try...
Pulling the halyards tight. This might be enough to quiet them down. My H260 (1999) is very quiet when the halyards are tight. If you have a mast head antenna, it could be the antenna cable banging, too. Hunter typically installs a conduit to run the electircal cables in the mast, but if the PO did the install, he may not have run them in the conduit. Fair winds, Tom
Pulling the halyards tight. This might be enough to quiet them down. My H260 (1999) is very quiet when the halyards are tight. If you have a mast head antenna, it could be the antenna cable banging, too. Hunter typically installs a conduit to run the electircal cables in the mast, but if the PO did the install, he may not have run them in the conduit. Fair winds, Tom
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Alan FitzPatrick
Halyard Noise Relief
Not sure this will help. I have taken to running the Main and Jib Halyards through the notch in the end of the spreaders prior to cleating off at the end of the day. This has eliminated the slapping noise of both lines on the mast when she is just sitting in the slip. Neighbors seem to appreciate it. Alan FitzPatrick '87 H23 "FitzUs"
Not sure this will help. I have taken to running the Main and Jib Halyards through the notch in the end of the spreaders prior to cleating off at the end of the day. This has eliminated the slapping noise of both lines on the mast when she is just sitting in the slip. Neighbors seem to appreciate it. Alan FitzPatrick '87 H23 "FitzUs"
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Rick Macdonald
Ron Mehringer - pipe insulation
Ron - I like the pipe insulation idea. Some questions: 1) Did you find insulation smaller than 1.5" outer, 3/4" inner diameter? 2) do I use aluminum or stainless steel rivets? 3) is there anything special about the rivets or the tool? My neighbor has a hand rivet tool. It sounds simple enough, but are there any "gotchas" to worry about when removing and replacing the mast base and mast head? Thanks! ...RickM...
Ron - I like the pipe insulation idea. Some questions: 1) Did you find insulation smaller than 1.5" outer, 3/4" inner diameter? 2) do I use aluminum or stainless steel rivets? 3) is there anything special about the rivets or the tool? My neighbor has a hand rivet tool. It sounds simple enough, but are there any "gotchas" to worry about when removing and replacing the mast base and mast head? Thanks! ...RickM...
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Ron Mehringer
Answers (not really)
I don't remember the particulars of the project. The pipe insulation was the standard type you find at Home Depot. Don't remember if there is a difference between the insulation for 1/2" and 3/4" copper pipe. Just used a standard hand operated rivet tool. Don't remember which type of rivets, but probably aluminum. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Also, for external halyard slap, I simply bungee them to the shrouds. Ron Mehringer h26 Hydro-Therapy
I don't remember the particulars of the project. The pipe insulation was the standard type you find at Home Depot. Don't remember if there is a difference between the insulation for 1/2" and 3/4" copper pipe. Just used a standard hand operated rivet tool. Don't remember which type of rivets, but probably aluminum. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Also, for external halyard slap, I simply bungee them to the shrouds. Ron Mehringer h26 Hydro-Therapy
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Rick Macdonald
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Thanks, Ron! Yes, I do the bungee cords on the halyards to the shrouds or just hook the halyards directly to the stanchions. It wasn't until recent threads that I realized it is indeed the mast head light wire that is making most if not all all the noise. I read somewhere to use a large drill bit to drill the rivets, just far enough so the heads fall off, then punch the rivets in (and try to retrieve the pieces). Does that sound familiar? I would have started with a 1/8" or smaller. Excuse my ignorance, but when people say 1/4" rivets, are they referring to the head size, shaft size, or shaft length? ...RickM...
Thanks, Ron! Yes, I do the bungee cords on the halyards to the shrouds or just hook the halyards directly to the stanchions. It wasn't until recent threads that I realized it is indeed the mast head light wire that is making most if not all all the noise. I read somewhere to use a large drill bit to drill the rivets, just far enough so the heads fall off, then punch the rivets in (and try to retrieve the pieces). Does that sound familiar? I would have started with a 1/8" or smaller. Excuse my ignorance, but when people say 1/4" rivets, are they referring to the head size, shaft size, or shaft length? ...RickM...
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Ron Mehringer
Rivets
Your approach to removing the rivets sounds good. I used a drill bit near the size of the rivet shaft and drilled all the way thru, but this technique may have caused some enlargement in the size of the hole. I think your way may be smarter. A 1/4" rivet is one that would fit a 1/4" hole, so it's the shaft size. Rivets also have a range of depth or thickness they can accomodate. Rivets are cheap, so buy a number of different sizes so you don't have to make multiple runs to the hardware store. Ron Mehringer h26 Hydro-Therapy
Your approach to removing the rivets sounds good. I used a drill bit near the size of the rivet shaft and drilled all the way thru, but this technique may have caused some enlargement in the size of the hole. I think your way may be smarter. A 1/4" rivet is one that would fit a 1/4" hole, so it's the shaft size. Rivets also have a range of depth or thickness they can accomodate. Rivets are cheap, so buy a number of different sizes so you don't have to make multiple runs to the hardware store. Ron Mehringer h26 Hydro-Therapy
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Rick Macdonald
I called US Spars about this, too
They use SS rivets for the extra strength. 3/16" x 1/2". He said either way of removing the rivet is fine. I bought an armload of pipe insulation and will do the deed this weekend. First I just have to find SS rivets the right size... Thanks for all the help, Ron! ...RickM...
They use SS rivets for the extra strength. 3/16" x 1/2". He said either way of removing the rivet is fine. I bought an armload of pipe insulation and will do the deed this weekend. First I just have to find SS rivets the right size... Thanks for all the help, Ron! ...RickM...
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Rick Macdonald
SUCCESS! No more clanging!
On the weekend I did the deed and silenced the mast head light wire clanging inside the mast: I dropped the mast, drilled out the old rivets to remove the mast foot and head, inserted the foam pipe insulation over the wire from from top and bottom (above and below the spreaders), rivetted it back together and raised it up again. No more noise! The old rivets at the head were stainless but at the foot were aluminum. Wow, what a difference. The aluminum drilled out like wood compared to the SS rivets. I had to go to an industrial supplier to find 3/16 x 1/2" SS rivets. When I asked for 10 ("or 20 if you have them") they guy laughed and gave me a handful (23) for no charge. $7.50 for the rivet tool and $2.50 for the pipe insulation. Talk about no more bang for the buck! Thanks Ron and everyone! ...RickM...
On the weekend I did the deed and silenced the mast head light wire clanging inside the mast: I dropped the mast, drilled out the old rivets to remove the mast foot and head, inserted the foam pipe insulation over the wire from from top and bottom (above and below the spreaders), rivetted it back together and raised it up again. No more noise! The old rivets at the head were stainless but at the foot were aluminum. Wow, what a difference. The aluminum drilled out like wood compared to the SS rivets. I had to go to an industrial supplier to find 3/16 x 1/2" SS rivets. When I asked for 10 ("or 20 if you have them") they guy laughed and gave me a handful (23) for no charge. $7.50 for the rivet tool and $2.50 for the pipe insulation. Talk about no more bang for the buck! Thanks Ron and everyone! ...RickM...
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Rick Macdonald
Calgary Fasteners
The NE store didn't have them in stock but the one on 42nd Ave SE did (east of Stage West, near the big casino). I got the rivet tool at Canadian tire. It was on for 1/2 price (CDN$10) but I think the sale is over. I was concerned that the cheap tool wouldn't handle the SS rivets. It did, but I'm not very strong and it was hard. There was a CDN$40 tool that said "Heavy duty for SS rivets" but I took a chance and did OK with the cheap one. I don't know that a more expensive tool would be any _easier_ to operate; just less chance of bending or breaking the tool maybe? ...RickM...
The NE store didn't have them in stock but the one on 42nd Ave SE did (east of Stage West, near the big casino). I got the rivet tool at Canadian tire. It was on for 1/2 price (CDN$10) but I think the sale is over. I was concerned that the cheap tool wouldn't handle the SS rivets. It did, but I'm not very strong and it was hard. There was a CDN$40 tool that said "Heavy duty for SS rivets" but I took a chance and did OK with the cheap one. I don't know that a more expensive tool would be any _easier_ to operate; just less chance of bending or breaking the tool maybe? ...RickM...
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BillP.
Halyard movement
If just the electrical was involved that is one thing, but did any of you put the halyards in the insulation? If so, did it not affect the lowering ease of the Main??? Bill
If just the electrical was involved that is one thing, but did any of you put the halyards in the insulation? If so, did it not affect the lowering ease of the Main??? Bill
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Rick Macdonald
Just electrical wire for me
When hardened, I get little or no noise from the halyards. From recent posts and archive searches, I didn't get the impression or even consider that anybody was ever talking about foam insulation or zip ties around halyards; just on the electrical wire. You certainly couldn't use zip ties on halyards! I think the foam would bind and get ripped up if you ran a halyard through it. ...RickM...
When hardened, I get little or no noise from the halyards. From recent posts and archive searches, I didn't get the impression or even consider that anybody was ever talking about foam insulation or zip ties around halyards; just on the electrical wire. You certainly couldn't use zip ties on halyards! I think the foam would bind and get ripped up if you ran a halyard through it. ...RickM...
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Ron Mehringer
Just wire and coax
If memory serves me right, I only put the wire for the masthead light and the coax for the VHF in the foam. Putting any of the running rigging thru the insulation would be problematic, plus the halyards can be tensioned but the wire & coax is always slack. Ron Mehringer h26 Hydro-Therapy
If memory serves me right, I only put the wire for the masthead light and the coax for the VHF in the foam. Putting any of the running rigging thru the insulation would be problematic, plus the halyards can be tensioned but the wire & coax is always slack. Ron Mehringer h26 Hydro-Therapy
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Bob Blais
Zip Ties
Three weeks ago I had my 260 out of the water and added zip straps every foot or so.I attached them in sets of three and trimmed the tails of the straps to lentgh to keep my mast light wire centered in the mast. works great
Three weeks ago I had my 260 out of the water and added zip straps every foot or so.I attached them in sets of three and trimmed the tails of the straps to lentgh to keep my mast light wire centered in the mast. works great
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