I am new to sailing, in fact I am taking my first lesson this Saturday. I am very interested in owning a sailboat that is trailerable and yet can sleep two adults comfortably for a weekend. What would anyone suggest? I have been looking at a couple of O'Days in the 22'range.
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larry w
A Lido 14 or something similar
would serve you better; those who learn to sail in a dinghy become better sailors, more in tune with the wind and water. Believe it.
would serve you better; those who learn to sail in a dinghy become better sailors, more in tune with the wind and water. Believe it.
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Liberty Pass
Decisions!
Welcome to the community of sailboaters. Looking at a 22' sailboat to accomodate 2 for a weekend is a good move. I would recommend you get through with the lessons and become familiar with sailing before deciding what to purchase. Of course I am biased, but the Catalina 22 is a great little boat. Personally, I went from a 14' jon boat to my swing keel C22 and have never looked back! Best of luck!
Welcome to the community of sailboaters. Looking at a 22' sailboat to accomodate 2 for a weekend is a good move. I would recommend you get through with the lessons and become familiar with sailing before deciding what to purchase. Of course I am biased, but the Catalina 22 is a great little boat. Personally, I went from a 14' jon boat to my swing keel C22 and have never looked back! Best of luck!
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Banooma
H23
I'm selling my Hunter 23, which comes on a trailer, and is in really good shape. I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
I'm selling my Hunter 23, which comes on a trailer, and is in really good shape. I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
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Benny
"Comfortably" is a relative term.
More information would be needed to be able to give you a worthwhile recommendation. What are your sailing waters, what's your age and build? Are you the outdoors type? I have seen many new sailors throw good money away by purchasing a 22' and shortly realizing after they get their sailing confidence that they need a bigger boat. Learning to sail in a 27'to 30' boat could be easier than a 22' as they could be more forgiving. By any means take the classes and try to sample as many boats as you can before purchasing.
More information would be needed to be able to give you a worthwhile recommendation. What are your sailing waters, what's your age and build? Are you the outdoors type? I have seen many new sailors throw good money away by purchasing a 22' and shortly realizing after they get their sailing confidence that they need a bigger boat. Learning to sail in a 27'to 30' boat could be easier than a 22' as they could be more forgiving. By any means take the classes and try to sample as many boats as you can before purchasing.
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mm6fire6
Agreed
I agree with Benny. 22 is a good start, but if you love it, you'll be upgrading very soon after. 24-26 is a better starter. I have a 96' Hunter 23.5, very good starter, very good to trailer around, good to singlehand, very foregiving, and sleeps My wife and I, plus our dogs with no problem. I however, am now looking for something even a few feet bigger after only 2 summers.
And if for some reason you dont love sailing, youd be selling it anyway....So go try a few out. Remember what might seem big enough on land, will seem smaller on the water!! Good luck!
I agree with Benny. 22 is a good start, but if you love it, you'll be upgrading very soon after. 24-26 is a better starter. I have a 96' Hunter 23.5, very good starter, very good to trailer around, good to singlehand, very foregiving, and sleeps My wife and I, plus our dogs with no problem. I however, am now looking for something even a few feet bigger after only 2 summers.
And if for some reason you dont love sailing, youd be selling it anyway....So go try a few out. Remember what might seem big enough on land, will seem smaller on the water!! Good luck!
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JEFF S
FIRST BOAT
I STARTED WITH A 17 FT ODAY DAYSAILOR AND NOW SAIL AN ODAY 26 FTR.I THINK YOUR STARTING AT 22 IS A REASONABLE PLACE TO START.I WOULD LOOK AT AN ODAY 22,222,23 I THINK THEY HAD A 19 AND A 20 AS WELL. LOOK INTO THE TIME THAT IT WILL TAKE YOU TO SET UP AND TAKE DOWN THE MAST AND WHETHER YOU CAN HANDLE THE JOB ALONE. CATALINA HAS A GREAT 22 STILL MADE AFTER A LONG RUN, PARTS AVAILABLE ,EVEN SOME MODELS WITH POPTOP'S AND GA
GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY SAILSLLEY'S. LOOK AROUND ,CREW AND SAIL AS MANY AS YOU CAN. STOP BY A LOCAL MARINA AND ASK TO GET OUT WITH SOMEONE. IN THE SMLLER BOAT RANGE THERE ARE AN AWFUL LOT OF SOLO SAILORS WHO WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET YOU STARTED. ASK AT WHEREVER YOU TAKE THE LESSONS TOO.
GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY SAILS
I STARTED WITH A 17 FT ODAY DAYSAILOR AND NOW SAIL AN ODAY 26 FTR.I THINK YOUR STARTING AT 22 IS A REASONABLE PLACE TO START.I WOULD LOOK AT AN ODAY 22,222,23 I THINK THEY HAD A 19 AND A 20 AS WELL. LOOK INTO THE TIME THAT IT WILL TAKE YOU TO SET UP AND TAKE DOWN THE MAST AND WHETHER YOU CAN HANDLE THE JOB ALONE. CATALINA HAS A GREAT 22 STILL MADE AFTER A LONG RUN, PARTS AVAILABLE ,EVEN SOME MODELS WITH POPTOP'S AND GA
GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY SAILSLLEY'S. LOOK AROUND ,CREW AND SAIL AS MANY AS YOU CAN. STOP BY A LOCAL MARINA AND ASK TO GET OUT WITH SOMEONE. IN THE SMLLER BOAT RANGE THERE ARE AN AWFUL LOT OF SOLO SAILORS WHO WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET YOU STARTED. ASK AT WHEREVER YOU TAKE THE LESSONS TOO.
GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY SAILS
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CalebD
Try learning to sail a Sunfish before you buy a bigger boat.
I am not kidding. Learn to sail first and then think about what you need/want for comfort and accommodations for a more adult and dry boat.
You can learn on any sized boat but IMHO the smaller the better as you get the 'feel' for the wind and the boat a lot quicker.
YMMV (your mileage may vary).
Above all, have fun.
I am not kidding. Learn to sail first and then think about what you need/want for comfort and accommodations for a more adult and dry boat.
You can learn on any sized boat but IMHO the smaller the better as you get the 'feel' for the wind and the boat a lot quicker.
YMMV (your mileage may vary).
Above all, have fun.
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Joe
Go for the 22' sailboat
I'd go for the 22' sailboat. It's definitely something that you can stay with because it's more forgiving than a light weight centerboard boat, and it's not too big for one person to handle. I bought my 222 new in 1986 and I'm still enjoying it. I don't want anything bigger. I did start out with a new 16' fiberglass sloop with twin centerboards, and I wish to this day that I had never bought it, but that's another story. I taught myself to sail from reading sailing books from our public library, and I never took sailing lessons. I sailed my boat with just the mainsail till I got the hang of it, then I tried using the main and Gennie. I would advise you to borrow a good book on sailing from your library and go through it a little bit before you take your first sailing lesson. One other thing that has really helped me in learning how to sail is the use of a wind indicator at the top of the mast. I bought a Davis Windex and mounted it on a 12" bracket at the top of my mast. Feeling the wind hit my face to find the wind direction, just doesn't do it for me. I like to look at my Windex and know at a glance just where the wind is in relation to my boats angle, especially going downwind. The Windex has a "V" shaped wire vane that can be bent to the angle that your boat can point with the maximum speed, in going to windward. This to me is a no brainer. It comes with directions and can literally teach you how to sail once you get the knowledge necessary in setting the sail at the proper angles for your direction of travel in relation to the wind. Tell-Tails can be attached to your shrouds, but the Windex will do it all. I've actually won sailboat races on days when the wind was so light that you could hardly feel it, and I did it by keeping an eye on my Windex.
Joe
I'd go for the 22' sailboat. It's definitely something that you can stay with because it's more forgiving than a light weight centerboard boat, and it's not too big for one person to handle. I bought my 222 new in 1986 and I'm still enjoying it. I don't want anything bigger. I did start out with a new 16' fiberglass sloop with twin centerboards, and I wish to this day that I had never bought it, but that's another story. I taught myself to sail from reading sailing books from our public library, and I never took sailing lessons. I sailed my boat with just the mainsail till I got the hang of it, then I tried using the main and Gennie. I would advise you to borrow a good book on sailing from your library and go through it a little bit before you take your first sailing lesson. One other thing that has really helped me in learning how to sail is the use of a wind indicator at the top of the mast. I bought a Davis Windex and mounted it on a 12" bracket at the top of my mast. Feeling the wind hit my face to find the wind direction, just doesn't do it for me. I like to look at my Windex and know at a glance just where the wind is in relation to my boats angle, especially going downwind. The Windex has a "V" shaped wire vane that can be bent to the angle that your boat can point with the maximum speed, in going to windward. This to me is a no brainer. It comes with directions and can literally teach you how to sail once you get the knowledge necessary in setting the sail at the proper angles for your direction of travel in relation to the wind. Tell-Tails can be attached to your shrouds, but the Windex will do it all. I've actually won sailboat races on days when the wind was so light that you could hardly feel it, and I did it by keeping an eye on my Windex.
Joe
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JungleJetJock
Joe
I think you have entirely too much mast rake in that picture. I bet handling has really suffered because of it, you really ought to correct that issue. ;D
I think you have entirely too much mast rake in that picture. I bet handling has really suffered because of it, you really ought to correct that issue. ;D
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kendall
agreed
I think a 22 is a good size to start with, not so tiny that you'll feel constrained, but not so big as to feel overwhelmed.
I feel that they are a good practical size for trailering and storing, and they don't eat up too much yard space. Most of them in that size range are easily towed with a mini-truck as they are quite a bit lighter than larger boats, yet heavy enough to feel plenty stable.
They're also a fairly popular size, so if/when you decide to move up they're easily sold to offset the cost of the larger one, and the experience gained is well worth it. I could easily triple the cost I paid for my current trailer boat, but I also paid an absurdly low price for it. (wasn't truly aware of how cheap till I saw pics of other boats people had paid the same or more for)
Ken.
I think a 22 is a good size to start with, not so tiny that you'll feel constrained, but not so big as to feel overwhelmed.
I feel that they are a good practical size for trailering and storing, and they don't eat up too much yard space. Most of them in that size range are easily towed with a mini-truck as they are quite a bit lighter than larger boats, yet heavy enough to feel plenty stable.
They're also a fairly popular size, so if/when you decide to move up they're easily sold to offset the cost of the larger one, and the experience gained is well worth it. I could easily triple the cost I paid for my current trailer boat, but I also paid an absurdly low price for it. (wasn't truly aware of how cheap till I saw pics of other boats people had paid the same or more for)
Ken.
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phdoc
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My sailing waters will be the Finger Lakes of Western NYS, I am 58 y.o. (my wife is 65) and I would say I am of average build (67" 180 lbs; my wife is 64" 120 lbs). Oh yes, I can't forget Rudy (a Maltese, 12 lbs) and Fred (a Cockapoo, 26 lbs.), they are our traveling companions. I am the outdoors type (my wife not as much) as we do go camping frequently in a pop-up camper. My lessons will start on an Ideal 18', then progress to a Sonar 23' and finish on a Pearson 26'. I am not wedded to an O'Day, in fact I have also looked at a MacGregor 25'. I hope this will give you some added data about what I plan on accomplishing with my sailing adventures.
My sailing waters will be the Finger Lakes of Western NYS, I am 58 y.o. (my wife is 65) and I would say I am of average build (67" 180 lbs; my wife is 64" 120 lbs). Oh yes, I can't forget Rudy (a Maltese, 12 lbs) and Fred (a Cockapoo, 26 lbs.), they are our traveling companions. I am the outdoors type (my wife not as much) as we do go camping frequently in a pop-up camper. My lessons will start on an Ideal 18', then progress to a Sonar 23' and finish on a Pearson 26'. I am not wedded to an O'Day, in fact I have also looked at a MacGregor 25'. I hope this will give you some added data about what I plan on accomplishing with my sailing adventures.
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Ross
There are pop up tents and pop up campers
The cabin in a 22 foot boat is about the size of the inside of a small SUV. I don't know of any 22's that have standing headroom inside. All boats have standing headroom on deck. Cooking and toileting are high on my list of creature comforts. Sleep space is always considered when they layout the cabin on a boat. Those are the considerations I would keep in mind when I was choosing a small boat.
The cabin in a 22 foot boat is about the size of the inside of a small SUV. I don't know of any 22's that have standing headroom inside. All boats have standing headroom on deck. Cooking and toileting are high on my list of creature comforts. Sleep space is always considered when they layout the cabin on a boat. Those are the considerations I would keep in mind when I was choosing a small boat.
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Patrick , S/V Shangra-La
Hunter 23 or 26, or catalina 22
all three are good trailer sailers you just have to decide what you can take and give up for the convience of trailering.
I had a H-23 and was happy with it for several years. Used a port-a-potty, a 1 burner alcohol stove and a 6 gal water can, a solar shower. Wouldn't do it again, but at the time...it was great.
all three are good trailer sailers you just have to decide what you can take and give up for the convience of trailering.
I had a H-23 and was happy with it for several years. Used a port-a-potty, a 1 burner alcohol stove and a 6 gal water can, a solar shower. Wouldn't do it again, but at the time...it was great.
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CharlieCobra
Pop up cabins? I think the old Mac 222 had one.
Me? I'm not sure I'd want a pop top cabin in a seaway.
Me? I'm not sure I'd want a pop top cabin in a seaway.
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TimCup
i have an Oday 22- comfort?
The only thing comfortable about it is the head being behind a closed door...anything else seems so...uncivilized. That's a rare feature. But the 22 is very similar to camping otherwise. My wife doesn't enjoy it much at all. Otherwise the Oday is a good boat. If I were looking for a first boat, and knew for a fact we'd be using for overnights, I'd look at 26-28 feet. They're no more difficult to sail (probably easier), more comfortable for sure (you can stand in most of them!) and in the long run, you'll probably save money (search twofootitis in the archives).
I'm REAL PLEASED you'll be training on 3 different size boats- that may well be the smartest thing of all- learn to sail, and get a feel for 3 sizes for one fee- brilliant!!
Good luck, and welcome to sailing- the high the gas price, the smarter you'll feel!
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The only thing comfortable about it is the head being behind a closed door...anything else seems so...uncivilized. That's a rare feature. But the 22 is very similar to camping otherwise. My wife doesn't enjoy it much at all. Otherwise the Oday is a good boat. If I were looking for a first boat, and knew for a fact we'd be using for overnights, I'd look at 26-28 feet. They're no more difficult to sail (probably easier), more comfortable for sure (you can stand in most of them!) and in the long run, you'll probably save money (search twofootitis in the archives).
I'm REAL PLEASED you'll be training on 3 different size boats- that may well be the smartest thing of all- learn to sail, and get a feel for 3 sizes for one fee- brilliant!!
Good luck, and welcome to sailing- the high the gas price, the smarter you'll feel!
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BobM
RSW?
If you have any fear for your Wife's patience with your new hobby (1) get her trained so she feels safe and (2) make sure she is comfortable. My Wife and I took basic keelboat on a Hunter 28.5. We then moved to renting Rhodes 19 keel boats. She was VERY uncomfortable on a small boat with no engine.
We then bought a Lancer 25, which she still pretty much thought of as a "camper" and she gave up camping shortly after we wed...maybe it was the camping trip in a tent for her birthday (May 29th) in southern NH when it snowed.
Oh well...you get my drift...if you really want to sail you will want her comfortable...however, the sacrafice may be how trailerable the boat is as the bigger mast will be more challenging to step unless you go for a newer model, such as a Com-pac Eclipse or Cat with their easy folding mastendr system.
See a bunch of boats to get a feel for the size and ergonomics then make a list of pros and cons then see some more boats. Unfortunately the 80:20 rule doesn't work when picking a sailboat...if I bought a boat to fit what I do 80% of the time best...which is sail alone because she doesn't like sailing all that much...she would hate it because it would probably have been a J-boat.
If you have any fear for your Wife's patience with your new hobby (1) get her trained so she feels safe and (2) make sure she is comfortable. My Wife and I took basic keelboat on a Hunter 28.5. We then moved to renting Rhodes 19 keel boats. She was VERY uncomfortable on a small boat with no engine.
We then bought a Lancer 25, which she still pretty much thought of as a "camper" and she gave up camping shortly after we wed...maybe it was the camping trip in a tent for her birthday (May 29th) in southern NH when it snowed.
Oh well...you get my drift...if you really want to sail you will want her comfortable...however, the sacrafice may be how trailerable the boat is as the bigger mast will be more challenging to step unless you go for a newer model, such as a Com-pac Eclipse or Cat with their easy folding mastendr system.
See a bunch of boats to get a feel for the size and ergonomics then make a list of pros and cons then see some more boats. Unfortunately the 80:20 rule doesn't work when picking a sailboat...if I bought a boat to fit what I do 80% of the time best...which is sail alone because she doesn't like sailing all that much...she would hate it because it would probably have been a J-boat.
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Timo42
Mac 22-2 and 25 are both good boats
They both have the poptop so you have some standing headroom, you would generally sail with the top down and latched, then pop it up when anchored.
Very basic inside, lots of room for upgrades and modifications, not so expensive that you will ruin value with mods, think VW bug, there are a couple of guys here that sail theirs to Catalina and the Channel Islands all the time, I like my 22-2 better than the 25 for trailering, since it sits a lot lower on the trailer. Tim
They both have the poptop so you have some standing headroom, you would generally sail with the top down and latched, then pop it up when anchored.
Very basic inside, lots of room for upgrades and modifications, not so expensive that you will ruin value with mods, think VW bug, there are a couple of guys here that sail theirs to Catalina and the Channel Islands all the time, I like my 22-2 better than the 25 for trailering, since it sits a lot lower on the trailer. Tim
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Serenity
My turn
You cant go wrong with a Rhodes-22. Check out the web site below. I've had larger and smaller and the R-22 is a very unique boat for both the seasoned as well as beginner .
Fair winds,
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You cant go wrong with a Rhodes-22. Check out the web site below. I've had larger and smaller and the R-22 is a very unique boat for both the seasoned as well as beginner .
Fair winds,
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Joe
Is this any better?
Here's another pic! I can only do so much with a Johnson Handy-Lock on my backstay.
Joe
Here's another pic! I can only do so much with a Johnson Handy-Lock on my backstay.
Joe
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