I am just finishing building my first boat, a 11 foot sailing dinghy designed by arch davis and called a Sand Dollar. My question is when I go to register the boat, I will periodically use a small outboard, I will need a hull number. Since I built it what do I use for a number??? This will be registered in connecticut. Should I just use 1 or 01 ,etc. ??? thanks, dave
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John K Kudera
Depends on your state
Contact your state's boat agency, here in PA it is that agency who will issue registration and title, they will also issue capacity plates.
Contact your state's boat agency, here in PA it is that agency who will issue registration and title, they will also issue capacity plates.
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Brian Pickton of BeneteauOwners.net
Hull number and registration number
Jan.3, 2000 Dear David, John is right that your state will issue you a registration number (similar to a licence) and capacity plates, but the registration number and the builder's number are not the same. What you have is hull #1 of the new line of boats designed by Arch Davis and built by David Lewis, shipwright, and long may she sail. In reality you can give her any number you want to as a builder's number : model # XYZ 20789 is for your purposes just as legitimate as hull # 1 or #00001. The builder determines what serial number to give his product, not the government. The government determines what registration number to give the product, not the builder. The two are seperate concepts created for different purposes and decided by different organizations. Congratulations on your new sailboat! At that size she should sail and row nicely, now what's that nonsense about putting a motor on her? No motor, no registration hassles, right ? ;-)) By the way, we row and sail our 10' 10" dinghy, Sir Percy. We have an outboard for it mounted on the rail gathering rust. We' ve used it so little that people who have known us for several years actually think we don't own an outboard! Fair Winds, Brian Pickton, of BeneteauOwners. net, aboard the Legend, Rodney Bay St. Lucia
Jan.3, 2000 Dear David, John is right that your state will issue you a registration number (similar to a licence) and capacity plates, but the registration number and the builder's number are not the same. What you have is hull #1 of the new line of boats designed by Arch Davis and built by David Lewis, shipwright, and long may she sail. In reality you can give her any number you want to as a builder's number : model # XYZ 20789 is for your purposes just as legitimate as hull # 1 or #00001. The builder determines what serial number to give his product, not the government. The government determines what registration number to give the product, not the builder. The two are seperate concepts created for different purposes and decided by different organizations. Congratulations on your new sailboat! At that size she should sail and row nicely, now what's that nonsense about putting a motor on her? No motor, no registration hassles, right ? ;-)) By the way, we row and sail our 10' 10" dinghy, Sir Percy. We have an outboard for it mounted on the rail gathering rust. We' ve used it so little that people who have known us for several years actually think we don't own an outboard! Fair Winds, Brian Pickton, of BeneteauOwners. net, aboard the Legend, Rodney Bay St. Lucia
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Justin - O'day Owners' Web
I think its a little more structured than that
I pulled this from a site on building homebuilt boats: "Individuals building boats for their own use and not for the purposes of sale are what are referred to as "backyard boat builders". They must obtain a 12 character HIN from their State boating agency. The Manufacturer Identification Code at the beginning of the HIN for a "home built" boat is an abbreviation for the State followed by a "Z" which indicates that it is a State identification." This would indicate that a boat built in CT, that is the first home built boat in CT, and completed in January 2001 should have the HIN <CTZ00001A101>. Also, be carefull with the assumption that a boat without an engine does not need to be registered. In at least some states this is not the case. Mass, for example requires some (all?) unpowered boats to be registered. Justin - O'day Owners' Web
I pulled this from a site on building homebuilt boats: "Individuals building boats for their own use and not for the purposes of sale are what are referred to as "backyard boat builders". They must obtain a 12 character HIN from their State boating agency. The Manufacturer Identification Code at the beginning of the HIN for a "home built" boat is an abbreviation for the State followed by a "Z" which indicates that it is a State identification." This would indicate that a boat built in CT, that is the first home built boat in CT, and completed in January 2001 should have the HIN <CTZ00001A101>. Also, be carefull with the assumption that a boat without an engine does not need to be registered. In at least some states this is not the case. Mass, for example requires some (all?) unpowered boats to be registered. Justin - O'day Owners' Web
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Steven
Re: MA Boat Registration
Justin and all, Massachusetts Boat Registration FAQ's: "Am I required to register my boat? State law requires the registration of any boat that is powered by a motor and operated on public waterways in Massachusetts. Registration is required even if the motor is not the primary means of propulsion for that boat. Some examples of boats that require registration include fishing boats with motors, recreational motorboats, canoes or sailboats that use motors, and personal watercraft such as Jet Skis or wet bikes. Boats exempt from registration requirements include those that do not use motors, boats used exclusively on private lakes smaller than 10 acres, and documented vessels (large boats that are issued a marine document and registration through the U.S. Coast Guard). Vessels used solely by a city, county, state, or federal agency will be issued a certificate of registration and number at no charge. " http://www.state.ma.us/dfwele/dle/dlefaqs.htm
Justin and all, Massachusetts Boat Registration FAQ's: "Am I required to register my boat? State law requires the registration of any boat that is powered by a motor and operated on public waterways in Massachusetts. Registration is required even if the motor is not the primary means of propulsion for that boat. Some examples of boats that require registration include fishing boats with motors, recreational motorboats, canoes or sailboats that use motors, and personal watercraft such as Jet Skis or wet bikes. Boats exempt from registration requirements include those that do not use motors, boats used exclusively on private lakes smaller than 10 acres, and documented vessels (large boats that are issued a marine document and registration through the U.S. Coast Guard). Vessels used solely by a city, county, state, or federal agency will be issued a certificate of registration and number at no charge. " http://www.state.ma.us/dfwele/dle/dlefaqs.htm
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Thomas Ehmke
Boat registration
I'm from Ohio and own a 10' Snark. There is absolutely no way that a motor could be mounted on this hull, and I can carry the boat to and from the water by myself. The first year we used it on Lake Erie, I carried it to a public beach and we sailed it from there. Midway through the afternoon, a park ranger informed me that I would have to register the boat before I could sail it in Ohio. We used the hull to carry the picnic contents back to the van. Since then I have registered it once, but it is now stored under the porch of our cottage on Drummond Island, Michigan. I use it up there to sail along the shoreline of Lake Huron once or twice a season. It is not currently registered in any state.
I'm from Ohio and own a 10' Snark. There is absolutely no way that a motor could be mounted on this hull, and I can carry the boat to and from the water by myself. The first year we used it on Lake Erie, I carried it to a public beach and we sailed it from there. Midway through the afternoon, a park ranger informed me that I would have to register the boat before I could sail it in Ohio. We used the hull to carry the picnic contents back to the van. Since then I have registered it once, but it is now stored under the porch of our cottage on Drummond Island, Michigan. I use it up there to sail along the shoreline of Lake Huron once or twice a season. It is not currently registered in any state.
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Justin - O'day Owners' Web
I stand corrected
I know that one of the New England states registers small sailboats, though, even if I got the wrong one! When I was shopping for my daysailer it was an issue, though I don't remember exactly why. I think the deal was if the boat was set up to take an engine, even if the engine was never mounted, then the boat had to be registered. My Daysailer has an engine mount built into its transom, so it was included. Justin - O'day Owners' Web
I know that one of the New England states registers small sailboats, though, even if I got the wrong one! When I was shopping for my daysailer it was an issue, though I don't remember exactly why. I think the deal was if the boat was set up to take an engine, even if the engine was never mounted, then the boat had to be registered. My Daysailer has an engine mount built into its transom, so it was included. Justin - O'day Owners' Web
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Brian Pickton of BeneteauOwners.net
OK, I was ranting
Jan.4, 2000 Dear Dave, Obviously, as Justin points out, what applies to unpowerred boats in Canada won't apply everywhere. At one time only vessels with 10 horsepower or more needed to be registered, thus the evolution of the 9.9 HP outboard. Then regulatory agencies got greedier. While puttering around in an inflatable on the delta above San Francisco I had a fish and game warden try to cite me for operating an unregistered vessel in state waters. It got real interesting when I pointed out that not only was the dinghy not registered, neither was The Legend with its 50 HP perkins and I had no intention of doing so. After a bit of a debate about the regulations concerning foreign vessels in local waters he gave it up. It's that sort of meddlesome interference by petty bureacrats that gets me raving in the first place. Of course the best thing to do is get a copy of the regulations dealing with boat registration and read it for yourself. You don't need a lawyer to read most statutes. Having said that, aren't you intrigued by the idea of a federal documentation for your new dinghy? It might save you hassles when sailing in Ohio! Fair winds, Brian Pickton of BeneteauOwners.net aboard the Legend, Rodney Bay, St. Lucia
Jan.4, 2000 Dear Dave, Obviously, as Justin points out, what applies to unpowerred boats in Canada won't apply everywhere. At one time only vessels with 10 horsepower or more needed to be registered, thus the evolution of the 9.9 HP outboard. Then regulatory agencies got greedier. While puttering around in an inflatable on the delta above San Francisco I had a fish and game warden try to cite me for operating an unregistered vessel in state waters. It got real interesting when I pointed out that not only was the dinghy not registered, neither was The Legend with its 50 HP perkins and I had no intention of doing so. After a bit of a debate about the regulations concerning foreign vessels in local waters he gave it up. It's that sort of meddlesome interference by petty bureacrats that gets me raving in the first place. Of course the best thing to do is get a copy of the regulations dealing with boat registration and read it for yourself. You don't need a lawyer to read most statutes. Having said that, aren't you intrigued by the idea of a federal documentation for your new dinghy? It might save you hassles when sailing in Ohio! Fair winds, Brian Pickton of BeneteauOwners.net aboard the Legend, Rodney Bay, St. Lucia
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Mark Johnson
In Connecticut the rule is....
No motor, no registration required. What I don't know is if there is any size limitations on that rule. But I do know that if you purchase a 10' or 12' inflatable and do not intend to put a motor on it you DO NOT have to register it. Check with DMV to be sure.
No motor, no registration required. What I don't know is if there is any size limitations on that rule. But I do know that if you purchase a 10' or 12' inflatable and do not intend to put a motor on it you DO NOT have to register it. Check with DMV to be sure.
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david lewis
Registration in Connecticut
I'm amazed at the responses this obviously emotional issue have generated. Perhaps my original note was misinterpreted. I have a 35 foot O'Day that is a documented vessel. I also have an old Achilles 10'2" inflatable that is registered in Connecticut. I am building (almost done) an 11 foot long sailing dinghy which I intend to register in Connecticut (I live in Mass but boat on the Con. shore) as i will periodically use a 4 HP Johnson which i already own. I was interested in what the HULL NUMBER is which is required for the registration application. This is the number the manufacturer puts on boats to identify them. I believe that has been answered, essentially the state department of motor vehicles assigns a number to home built boats. I thank everyone for their responses. This is a really neat sailing dinghy I'm building. Search on Arch Davis in the internet and you can get to a site with a picture. It is a sand dollar. Fun to build and it can be rigged as a lugsail, spritsail, or gunter rig. It is an excellent design for rowing and will also take a small outboard if desired, very flexible boat. Dave
I'm amazed at the responses this obviously emotional issue have generated. Perhaps my original note was misinterpreted. I have a 35 foot O'Day that is a documented vessel. I also have an old Achilles 10'2" inflatable that is registered in Connecticut. I am building (almost done) an 11 foot long sailing dinghy which I intend to register in Connecticut (I live in Mass but boat on the Con. shore) as i will periodically use a 4 HP Johnson which i already own. I was interested in what the HULL NUMBER is which is required for the registration application. This is the number the manufacturer puts on boats to identify them. I believe that has been answered, essentially the state department of motor vehicles assigns a number to home built boats. I thank everyone for their responses. This is a really neat sailing dinghy I'm building. Search on Arch Davis in the internet and you can get to a site with a picture. It is a sand dollar. Fun to build and it can be rigged as a lugsail, spritsail, or gunter rig. It is an excellent design for rowing and will also take a small outboard if desired, very flexible boat. Dave
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