new raw water intake instructions..

May 30, 2006
1,075
Putting in a Beta 14 soon.
The mechanic suggests a larger valve for the raw water intake.
It seems to go through 2 sets of fiberglass....
One is the bottom of the engine compartment, then on to the actual hull below.

Any suggestions?
I am not sure where to start[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 
May 9, 2011
1,000
I used a 3/4" fitting, which is smaller than recommended in the manual, but
it works fine and all the hoses fit the engine. I'd be a little concerned
with anything larger as space is a little tight.There are two layers of
glass but if you use polyurethane sealant when installing the through hull
this isn't an issue.
 
Jan 31, 2009
122
On the Series 2 Vegas the raw water intake is just forward of the starboard engine bearer. The hull is quite thick there (about 3/4" in old money). Only one layer to go through tho. The most difficult part is usually removing the old water strainer on the outside of the hull. Four tiny self tappers usually heavily encrusted in antifouling. Unless you have a tapered drill bit(very expensive) the quickest method is to use a circular rasp to enlage the hole to the right size. In Uk the original valve would be 1/2" and the new one should be 3/4". You'll need new external water strainer, the through hull fitting a seacock (ball valve is preferable) and a taper fitting internally to match the engine water intake size and the appropriate hose.

Mike________________________________
From: groundhog groundhogyh@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012, 20:05
Subject: [AlbinVega] new raw water intake instructions..


Putting in a Beta 14 soon.
The mechanic suggests a larger valve for the raw water intake.
It seems to go through 2 sets of fiberglass....
One is the bottom of the engine compartment, then on to the actual hull below.

Any suggestions?
I am not sure where to start
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
I have never changed a through hull yet.
How do I, or do I need to get to the in-between-the-fiberglass layers area?
If so how.

Any links to ball valve hardware? looking at a pic may be explanatory.
gh
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
The intention is to do a short haul where the boat is hanging.
Change the through hull then.
Does the polyurethane need a temperature range? Or a long time to set before I drop boat back in water?
 
May 9, 2011
1,000
Polyurethane sealant like Sikaflex 291 won't need very long to set. In
reality, only a very small portion is in contact with water anyway as the
amount of sealant between the through hull flange and hull is very thin.
I'd allow about a day, but I live in the tropics, so cold weather might
take longer.

As for enlarging the hole, there are various "tricks" that can be used to
allow a holesaw to be used. One is to use a holesaw of a style that allows
two blades to be used together (I've seen these sold for installing handles
on household doors) - one the old size and one the new and another
technique is to fasten thin ply over the top and bottom of the hole and
then cut out the hole with a conventional holesaw.

Old through hulls can sometimes be a bugger to remove, but at that small
size shouldn't be a problem. If you look inside the through hull, you
should see a couple of tangs. I usually cut up a bit of steel flat bar to
make a tool that jams against the tangs so that it can be held fast with a
shifting spanner while the nut is undone (or done up in the case of a new
installation). Quite often they'll need a whack with a hammer to allow them
to break the old seal and drop away from the hull.

As for the two layers, don't worry about it. The thickest layer is the hull
and the thinner is just the glass used in the making of the engine bed. On
my boat (a series 1) there was a thin layer of grey filler between the two
layers. The polyurethane sealant at the flange of the through hull will
stop any water coming in, and the nut on the through hull when tightened
will keep the layers compressed together.

One thing I did was make a plywood "donut" of about 2" outside diameter
that goes between the hull and the nut of the through hull. The donut is
coated in epoxy and the polyurethane sealant used to glue it to the hull.
The purpose of the "donut" is that it provides extra rigidity for the
through hull mounting and also improves the seal of the through hull to the
hull by evening out any differences in thickness and "bumpiness" of the
hull at the mounting point (remembering it is actually slightly curved
here).

I also didn't worry about an outside strainer, as I've heard stories that
they can prevent access to the through hull if it needs cleaning because of
marine growth. I use an internal strainer instead and have it set so I can
remove the intake hose and run a rod down to the through hull if it ever
gunks up.

Anyway, I'm waffling on now lol. I don't have a picture of the actual
through hull set up, but here is a picture of my installation:
 
Jun 6, 2009
18
this site has great tutorials on a number of things ..http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/seacock_primer
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Hate to keep on this, but I dont fully understand the procedure here.

I have seen the bronze through hull from the west marine site.
Bronze with strainer opening. Then a long threaded tube with locking nut.

When I look at the engine pan, is this actually the hull?
Does the nut on the through hull lay on top of this?

Or is there an air space below the engine pan?
And the through hull locking nut lays against some lower hull fiberglass.

I have looked through old posts and can not find any other info.
gh
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Hi, Not really sure what the problem is but if you have a look here TalkTalk Webspace is closing soon!!
(3rd row) you will see the engine bay and the water intake at the
bottom left. It was a very tight fit to get the larger seacock in
here! It is single skin fibreglass .... I guess you thruhull is
elsewhere? I swapped all the thru hulls and they were simple enough
to replace... there is a video on youtube for the marelon fittings.
 
Dec 14, 2013
50
Albin Marin Vega 27 Venice
Hi Groundhog,

I have a series III Vega, N° 3339. On this series the engine water intake has been moved a bit down on the right side of the keel (see attached photos). I have been told this has been because of possible air aspiration if motoring and sailing at the same time with the boat inclined on a side. On that location the hull is full thickness
I have replaced the original thru-hulls and valves seen in the photos with bronze Vetus ones.

Some more info form web sites on next msg.

marco baldan
Albin Vega 3339 Spray

Da: groundhog <groundhogyh@...>
A: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Inviato: Mercoledì 7 Novembre 2012 21:03
Oggetto: Re: [AlbinVega] new raw water intake instructions..


Hate to keep on this, but I dont fully understand the procedure here.

I have seen the bronze through hull from the west marine site.
Bronze with strainer opening. Then a long threaded tube with locking nut.

When I look at the engine pan, is this actually the hull?
Does the nut on the through hull lay on top of this?

Or is there an air space below the engine pan?
And the through hull locking nut lays against some lower hull fiberglass.

I have looked through old posts and can not find any other info.
gh
 
Dec 14, 2013
50
Albin Marin Vega 27 Venice
Here are some technical suggestions from web sites...

marco

Da: groundhog <groundhogyh@...>
A: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Inviato: Mercoledì 7 Novembre 2012 21:03
Oggetto: Re: [AlbinVega] new raw water intake instructions..


Hate to keep on this, but I dont fully understand the procedure here.

I have seen the bronze through hull from the west marine site.
Bronze with strainer opening. Then a long threaded tube with locking nut.

When I look at the engine pan, is this actually the hull?
Does the nut on the through hull lay on top of this?

Or is there an air space below the engine pan?
And the through hull locking nut lays against some lower hull fiberglass.

I have looked through old posts and can not find any other info.
gh
 

n6ric

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Mar 19, 2010
208
Groundhog,
I did a post last night, but it never made it for some reason. I removed the raw water thru-hull and gate valve that supplied water to the engine. I removed the gate valve and was then able to get to the nut holding the thru-hull on. All of that came apart fairly easily with little effort. To remove the thru-hull, I used my jigsaw with a blade for metal and stuck the blade into the thru-hole opening and cut into the tube wall from both inside the boat and outside. After a couple of cuts across from one another, I was able to use a hammer and knock it loose with just a couple of hits, You can see the hole remaining in pictures on my website at the end of the main cabin section.

I went on to grind out and fiberglass over the hole because I'm installing an outboard and didn't want a hole below the waterline that I don't need. I replaced my other thru-hulls with Marelon so I wouldn't have to worry about corrosion. I used 3M 5200 to seal the thru-holes, but it takes about 5 days to fully cure. They have a fast drying version, but I'm not sure how long that takes.

You should really replace the old gate valve assembly with a seacock that is mounted to the hull. The only problem with that is there isn't much room to work with. And I doubt that one would fit. You'll probably have to use a bronze thru-hull with a strong backing washer and an inline ball valve. There are some one inch bronze seacocks with small bases that might fight, but I can't tell from just looking at pictures. I hope this helps.

Ric
s/v Blue Max
#2692
www.ric-maxfield.net
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Thanks everyone for trying to help.....
But i am just trying to figure out what the construction of this boat is!
i give up
 

n6ric

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Mar 19, 2010
208
It's just fiberglass about 3/4 of an inch thick at that location. At least it is on a series 2. No gaps or anything else to worry about. You should be able to see that in my photos.

Ric
 
Oct 30, 2011
221
Hi, Not really sure what the problem is but if you have a look here TalkTalk Webspace is closing soon!! (3rd row) you will see the engine bay and the water intake at the bottom left. It was a very tight fit to get the larger seacock in here! (Some fibreglass had to be removed)It is single skin fibreglass .... I guess you thruhull is elsewhere? I swapped all the thru hulls and they were simple enough to replace... there is a video on youtube for the marelon fittings.

ps the reply button in my mail application no longer seems to work for yahoo posts?
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
There are no gaps, just solid fibreglass - Just make the original larger!

SteveFrom: Ric
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:21 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: new raw water intake instructions..
It's just fiberglass about 3/4 of an inch thick at that location. At least it is on a series 2. No gaps or anything else to worry about. You should be able to see that in my photos.

Ric
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Ok. Having another hissy fit!

There IS a gap between the hull and engine drip pan !!!!

Thats where the leak is. Just found it today.
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Yes. I also found a gray layer between the drip pan layer and the actual hull. But there is still a void there where water can flow.