Hello Again. Thank you for previous advice re: assessing a long-stored boat. Recently purchased that O'Day 22 1974 - was in decent shape. Will be polishing, fixing gel coat cracks, tuning outboard, checking lights, etc...this winter. Checked out by surveyor as mostly superficial problems in a sound boat (yes it has a mushy cabin floor, but the hull is solid). Tooled around Lake Michigan in a Laser last summer and wanted to step up to safer, more social, boating. Got the boat, four sails, trailer, and a 4hp outboard for $2100, but there is clearly some sweat equity yet to be poured in. Luckily, it all fit inside a garage I own. Question - plan to moor the boat and was thinking about pumps for the bilge. Manual OK? - I might be getting a small solar panel to keep the battery topped off, so might get a small electric pump, but have no experience - any suggestions. Also, there is an access hole right below the main hatch on the floor I was thinking might work - suggestions? Thanks for any input. Can't wait to get out there.
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Todd, Congradulations on your purchase. I think, since there is no power from the motor or shore power, keep your power requirments to a minimum. A manual pump should be fine. Make it accessable in the cockpit. You have no thru hulls that could swamp the boat quickly and a battery operated pump would wear out the battery so there would be no pumping anyway. Most likely you will moor at a reputable marina. If they notice your boat looking low on the water line they will notify you. I see this once in a while on the lake that I am on. A solar panel is a good idea but discuss it here before you buy one. If you check the archives there is alot of info on solar charging. The battery is an important part of the system. enjoy the boat, r.w.landau
Todd, Congradulations on your purchase. I think, since there is no power from the motor or shore power, keep your power requirments to a minimum. A manual pump should be fine. Make it accessable in the cockpit. You have no thru hulls that could swamp the boat quickly and a battery operated pump would wear out the battery so there would be no pumping anyway. Most likely you will moor at a reputable marina. If they notice your boat looking low on the water line they will notify you. I see this once in a while on the lake that I am on. A solar panel is a good idea but discuss it here before you buy one. If you check the archives there is alot of info on solar charging. The battery is an important part of the system. enjoy the boat, r.w.landau
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Rich
Battery, Solar Panel & Electric Pump work well...
Hi, Todd: I have a 1975 Oday '22--have had it for about a year. Lots of that sweat equity you're suspecting. But it's a great little boat! I've heard it described as "the checker cab" of trailerable boats & I agree. It's small but very comfortable for its size; its rugged and stable but slow and not too graceful; and it stays solid on the outside even if the floor and seats get spongy and/or full of holes. As to the mooring concept, I would personally recommend a small electric bilge pump with a float switch--I have an Attwood Guardian 500 g.p.h pump in my boat in the forward part of the bilge (near the mast compression post, over the keel). I not only have the hole in the cabin floor directly beneath the companionway hatch but it has been enlarged to accomodate a screw-out deck plate (c. 6" diameter) and another hole was cut near the aft part of the cabinet that connects to the compression post and has the same screw out deck plate. These allow easy access to the bilge area and for installation of the bilge pump. The discharge hose from the pump is run straight aft, through the bilge (3/4" clear vinyl smooth-walled tubing--to see water, trash, clogs, etc.) and I drilled a 7/8" hole in the cabin floor liner lip to allow the hose to exit the bilge and continue to the transom. I installed a plastic thru-hull in the transom--about 8-10" above the water line (to avoid back-siphoning and/or filling by following seas)and attached the discharge hose with double stainless band clamps. The pump is wired direct to my battery, with a Rule 3-way rocker switch in-between, to allow for manual or automatic operation. The automatic part is very comforting, as I visit my boat at its wet slip only once a week or so and, while I have neighbors and marina personnel around, they're not watching my boat 24/7. The battery is connected to a 5 watt solar panel I sit on atop the sliding companionway cover, held in place by 4 small bungee cords hooked to each corner--it never moves and can even stay in place while under way, if you want to charge your battery while you're sailing around (I take it off when I race). The panel I use (Harbor Freight Tools--on-line) cost about $35.00 and comes with a long detachable power wire that has alligator clips to make connection/disconnection to the battery a snap--I never disconnect the battery end; I disconnect the wire from the panel, coil the wire up and stow it in the cabin when I remove the panel. That little cheapie panel keeps my battery tip-top always, even with the bilge pump, stereo/CD player, running lights, compass light, cabin lights and fresh water pump all being used quite regularly. Manual pumps work great when you're there to work them and you should get one as a back-up. However, I highly recommend my set-up for peace of mind and ease of use. Incidentally, I have two other thru-hulls in my boat that may or may not be in other 22's--I have one mid-ships that was originally used for bilge discharge (the idiot who owned the boat before me put it at the water line when the boat was empty; when people get on the boat and/or it heels, the thru-hull is submerged, allowing water to back siphon into the bilge--very bad and annoying) and one that allows the littole sink to drain. These are two other reasons I was worried about water getting in the boat when I was away. I now use the old bilge thru-hull for draining a cockpit drain that I installed--avoids accumulation in cockpit just below the hatch and I didn't have to plug up or repair the unused thru-hull hole. I'll try to put some pictures up here of the holes and pump within the next week or so--gotta get to the boat with the digital camera first. Enjoy your boat half as much as I have enjoyed cleaning up, repairing, refurbishing, sailing and racing mine and you will indeed be a lucky man. Good luck... Rich s/v TIME BANDIT 1975 O'Day 22
Hi, Todd: I have a 1975 Oday '22--have had it for about a year. Lots of that sweat equity you're suspecting. But it's a great little boat! I've heard it described as "the checker cab" of trailerable boats & I agree. It's small but very comfortable for its size; its rugged and stable but slow and not too graceful; and it stays solid on the outside even if the floor and seats get spongy and/or full of holes. As to the mooring concept, I would personally recommend a small electric bilge pump with a float switch--I have an Attwood Guardian 500 g.p.h pump in my boat in the forward part of the bilge (near the mast compression post, over the keel). I not only have the hole in the cabin floor directly beneath the companionway hatch but it has been enlarged to accomodate a screw-out deck plate (c. 6" diameter) and another hole was cut near the aft part of the cabinet that connects to the compression post and has the same screw out deck plate. These allow easy access to the bilge area and for installation of the bilge pump. The discharge hose from the pump is run straight aft, through the bilge (3/4" clear vinyl smooth-walled tubing--to see water, trash, clogs, etc.) and I drilled a 7/8" hole in the cabin floor liner lip to allow the hose to exit the bilge and continue to the transom. I installed a plastic thru-hull in the transom--about 8-10" above the water line (to avoid back-siphoning and/or filling by following seas)and attached the discharge hose with double stainless band clamps. The pump is wired direct to my battery, with a Rule 3-way rocker switch in-between, to allow for manual or automatic operation. The automatic part is very comforting, as I visit my boat at its wet slip only once a week or so and, while I have neighbors and marina personnel around, they're not watching my boat 24/7. The battery is connected to a 5 watt solar panel I sit on atop the sliding companionway cover, held in place by 4 small bungee cords hooked to each corner--it never moves and can even stay in place while under way, if you want to charge your battery while you're sailing around (I take it off when I race). The panel I use (Harbor Freight Tools--on-line) cost about $35.00 and comes with a long detachable power wire that has alligator clips to make connection/disconnection to the battery a snap--I never disconnect the battery end; I disconnect the wire from the panel, coil the wire up and stow it in the cabin when I remove the panel. That little cheapie panel keeps my battery tip-top always, even with the bilge pump, stereo/CD player, running lights, compass light, cabin lights and fresh water pump all being used quite regularly. Manual pumps work great when you're there to work them and you should get one as a back-up. However, I highly recommend my set-up for peace of mind and ease of use. Incidentally, I have two other thru-hulls in my boat that may or may not be in other 22's--I have one mid-ships that was originally used for bilge discharge (the idiot who owned the boat before me put it at the water line when the boat was empty; when people get on the boat and/or it heels, the thru-hull is submerged, allowing water to back siphon into the bilge--very bad and annoying) and one that allows the littole sink to drain. These are two other reasons I was worried about water getting in the boat when I was away. I now use the old bilge thru-hull for draining a cockpit drain that I installed--avoids accumulation in cockpit just below the hatch and I didn't have to plug up or repair the unused thru-hull hole. I'll try to put some pictures up here of the holes and pump within the next week or so--gotta get to the boat with the digital camera first. Enjoy your boat half as much as I have enjoyed cleaning up, repairing, refurbishing, sailing and racing mine and you will indeed be a lucky man. Good luck... Rich s/v TIME BANDIT 1975 O'Day 22
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Todd
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Thanks for the input. I have a few months, but am thinking I'll get a 10W solar panel +/- a regulator (kind of stuff you can always use on future boats too). Thanks also for the input re: bilge pumps and the link - only thing is I'm a bit nervous about a thru hull. Is that a difficult install? Maybe I'll just have the hose go over the side of the cockpit for this first year...walk before you run. Again, I appreciate the help. Four months and counting down...
Thanks for the input. I have a few months, but am thinking I'll get a 10W solar panel +/- a regulator (kind of stuff you can always use on future boats too). Thanks also for the input re: bilge pumps and the link - only thing is I'm a bit nervous about a thru hull. Is that a difficult install? Maybe I'll just have the hose go over the side of the cockpit for this first year...walk before you run. Again, I appreciate the help. Four months and counting down...
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