Im looking for a new boat. Have had two hunters - a 326 and a 426 DS (now a 44 DS). Frankly want a better quality boat. Am looking at Sabre and Tartan maybe a pacific seacraft, or an Island Packet. What says you? Which is the better boat? 34 to 42 foot is the range of size. Thanks for all constructive info. Ed
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Did you look at any bavaria yachts
I think Bavaria yachts are a better quality production boat. I like Sabre, Tartan, pacific seacraft, and Island Packet is too! The new Hunter are a higher quality boat compared to Hunters produced a few years ago but, some customers have bitter memories. Me too!
I think Bavaria yachts are a better quality production boat. I like Sabre, Tartan, pacific seacraft, and Island Packet is too! The new Hunter are a higher quality boat compared to Hunters produced a few years ago but, some customers have bitter memories. Me too!
Waffle and Bavaria
Waffle, what is your connection with Bavaria? Didn't you start a Bavaria thread (your first post) a little while ago resulting in all those posts re Bavaria's losing their keels due to poor construction? If you are connected with Bavaria in some way tell us. No need to be ashamed.
Waffle, what is your connection with Bavaria? Didn't you start a Bavaria thread (your first post) a little while ago resulting in all those posts re Bavaria's losing their keels due to poor construction? If you are connected with Bavaria in some way tell us. No need to be ashamed.
If I had the budget for something better than
production boats I'd sure like a Cabo Rico 36. It's new design based on the 34, there was one docked across from me awaiting delivery to new owner. I've got an 8X10 picture of it on the refrigerator, cutter rig, it may be love.
production boats I'd sure like a Cabo Rico 36. It's new design based on the 34, there was one docked across from me awaiting delivery to new owner. I've got an 8X10 picture of it on the refrigerator, cutter rig, it may be love.
Ed, what do you mean by better quality...
boat? It would really help me to understand what quality measures you expect that you did not see in Hunter boats you've owned. I've been around some Pacific Seacraft and Island Packet boats before. Terry
boat? It would really help me to understand what quality measures you expect that you did not see in Hunter boats you've owned. I've been around some Pacific Seacraft and Island Packet boats before. Terry
If you want 'quality' .....
contract with one of the leading or better known naval designers (Robert Perry, etc.) and have your 'dreamboat' custom built. The most important question is where do you intend to sail? open ocean, coastal, protected waters, or entertaining friends while tied mostly to a dock. The intended venue will make a huge difference in 'quality' and type of construction. Otherwise for 'quality': Swan Hallberg Rassey Tayana Pacific Seacraft Saga Hinckley Tartan Sabre Morris etc. etc.
contract with one of the leading or better known naval designers (Robert Perry, etc.) and have your 'dreamboat' custom built. The most important question is where do you intend to sail? open ocean, coastal, protected waters, or entertaining friends while tied mostly to a dock. The intended venue will make a huge difference in 'quality' and type of construction. Otherwise for 'quality': Swan Hallberg Rassey Tayana Pacific Seacraft Saga Hinckley Tartan Sabre Morris etc. etc.
Tartan 4100
My parents sail on a 2005 Tartan 4100, while it is a great design, and stunning inside. I would shy away from them. They seem to have something break every week. You didn't really go into what you wanted to do with the boat, how many people, or where you were located. Each of these would have a high impact on the type of boat I would buy. -Andrew
My parents sail on a 2005 Tartan 4100, while it is a great design, and stunning inside. I would shy away from them. They seem to have something break every week. You didn't really go into what you wanted to do with the boat, how many people, or where you were located. Each of these would have a high impact on the type of boat I would buy. -Andrew
Island Packets come with everything standard.
We purchased a 1990 IP 38 in 2002 after a very exhaustive search. After looking on the "net" for a year we packed up and left for the east coast to buy a boat and sail away. We spent just over 1 month looking at 3 to 4 boats per day. Our price limit was moderate and we wanted the best blue water cruiser within our budget. Pacific Seacraft are beautiful boats but small inside. That includes a couple of other similar brands. We felt Hunters, Beneteau etc were to lite. We settled on a 1990 IP 38 and were stuned by the amount of interior space they had. Additionally, they have so much standard gear that you save big time over similar sized boats. They are stout sailboats and handle the bigger winds very nicely with a good turn of speed. Find a boat that has had a couple of owners as those boats have much more owner added goodies. Fair winds and small storms. Ray & maria.
We purchased a 1990 IP 38 in 2002 after a very exhaustive search. After looking on the "net" for a year we packed up and left for the east coast to buy a boat and sail away. We spent just over 1 month looking at 3 to 4 boats per day. Our price limit was moderate and we wanted the best blue water cruiser within our budget. Pacific Seacraft are beautiful boats but small inside. That includes a couple of other similar brands. We felt Hunters, Beneteau etc were to lite. We settled on a 1990 IP 38 and were stuned by the amount of interior space they had. Additionally, they have so much standard gear that you save big time over similar sized boats. They are stout sailboats and handle the bigger winds very nicely with a good turn of speed. Find a boat that has had a couple of owners as those boats have much more owner added goodies. Fair winds and small storms. Ray & maria.
I agree with Terry Cox. What exactly do you want
in terms of qaulity? Do you want fine carpentry & woodwork below with multiple layers of handrubbed varnish? (If you are looking for the craftsmanship you could look at a Hinckley
) Or do you want a hull you can bash into a reef a few times and still walk away ? Also what type of sailing do you do (or want to do) you are all over the map with regards to what type of boats you are thinking of. For instance a Sabre and an Island Packet are two very different boats. One is a fin keel (Sabre) and the other is a modified full keel. If you were thinking of doing daysails and quick trips around the sound you might be a little disappointed with the Island Packets performance. But if you were going to live aboard and cruise full time in the Trade Winds then the IP might be more of what you'd be looking for. If you are just looking for quality for qualities sake, I'd say get the better sailing boat so that at least you'd take it out more. Unless you are just looking for a dock condo. ps. Sure the tartans and sabres are a step up but they are 60-90% more $$ for the same sized boats. I would expect them to be ;D pss Rapt0r What type of things are breaking on your parents Tartan ??
in terms of qaulity? Do you want fine carpentry & woodwork below with multiple layers of handrubbed varnish? (If you are looking for the craftsmanship you could look at a Hinckley
) Or do you want a hull you can bash into a reef a few times and still walk away ? Also what type of sailing do you do (or want to do) you are all over the map with regards to what type of boats you are thinking of. For instance a Sabre and an Island Packet are two very different boats. One is a fin keel (Sabre) and the other is a modified full keel. If you were thinking of doing daysails and quick trips around the sound you might be a little disappointed with the Island Packets performance. But if you were going to live aboard and cruise full time in the Trade Winds then the IP might be more of what you'd be looking for. If you are just looking for quality for qualities sake, I'd say get the better sailing boat so that at least you'd take it out more. Unless you are just looking for a dock condo. ps. Sure the tartans and sabres are a step up but they are 60-90% more $$ for the same sized boats. I would expect them to be ;D pss Rapt0r What type of things are breaking on your parents Tartan ??- Status