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Nov 23, 2008
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Catalina 36 Ventura
Im looking at a 1978 Talisman 37'. It's a nice clean boat but i can not find any info on it.
No reviews or specs. and no one seem's to know anything about them. Any help would be great!!!!

Bob
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Wow, there is absolutely nothing out there on this boat. There are a few for sale out there. The only thing I can suggest is to start calling owners, talking to them and asking them for any documentation they may have. I did see a scan of a sail plan that had "USA" on it, but the extensive interior wood work and overall design have me thinking she might be from an oriental boat yard. Good luck.
 
Dec 3, 2003
2,101
Hunter Legend 37 Portsmouth, RI
Not findinf any info on the boat should tell you something - CAUTION!
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
My father in law bought an Albin Scampi. It was a swedish made boat that was sailed across the atlantic. He was so excited to get such a unique boat that had blue water experience. He was not so thrilled when it was time to sell. He ended up giving it away after 2 1/2 years on the market. He had maybe 3 inquiries on it.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Of course this could either be very good..in that the people love the boat and don't want others to know about it... which is not likely... or very bad... :)
Not findinf any info on the boat should tell you something - CAUTION!
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Stop and think

You say you are " looking at a 1978 Talisman 37' " What is your reason for wanting to own such an obscure boat when there are so many 'known' boats on the market? The suggestions of caution from your responders is well placed.
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
I'd look at it too. It is a beautiful boat from what I saw. Much like an Island Packet in style, but with very vertical doghouse sides. It is certainly comforting to know a boat / builders reputation prior to buying it, and that hundreds of hulls of particular vessel were built, but not a necessity in my opinion.

I wouldn't let the lack of a reputation stop you as long as you understand that you will likely need to buy at a discount (to other boats of comparable length) as you might have to sell at one. Also, you need to get a thorough survey done and your surveyor should be VERY familar with sailboats and you should spend a lot of time going over the boat yourself (go over her inch by inch everywhere you can get to) to ensure it is properly constructed (bulkheads tabbed to the hull properly, well executed hull to deck joint, good hull lay up with no blister problem). You may even want to get a marine architect to look at it, if anything questionable turns up in hull construction.

I was offered a survey done by a prior prospective buyer, I only had to pay about half if I wished to buy it from him for "official" use with my bank. I didn't end up buying the boat, but would have declined anyway as the surveyor didn't even note how the keel was attached! I ended up hiring a surveyor that used to work for Cape Dory and who builds small boats for a hobby. He is also an avid sailor. He was also one of the more inexpensive surveyors I had found.

Your profile doesn't delineate what prior sailing experience you have and you don't state what you would use the boat for (day sailing, coastal cruising or circumnavigation).
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
I went to Yachtworld and looked at the '78 Talisman 37 and I swear it was a Challenger. I wonder if it was designed/built by the same designer. It is possible that Talisman is not the manufacture but the boat's model name.

Do a search in Yachworld for Challenger sailboat and you might see a resemblance.

[added] See if you can get the HIN. Then we can look up the manufacture. There has to be data on the HIN.

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Details for Manufacturer Identification Code TLJ
MIC: TLJ
Status: Out of Business
Company: TALISMAN YACHTS
Company Official: BERGDOLL, JERRY
Parent Company:

Parent MIC:

Address: 1826 E MAURETANIA STREET
City: WILMINGTON State:
CA Zip: 90744
Country:
Phone: 3108308626 Fax:

In Business: 12/1/1978 12:00:00 AM
Out of Business: 10/15/2002 12:00:00 AM
Date Modified: 12/2/2002 12:00:00 AM
Type: Sailboats, (with or without engine) Catamarans, Trimarans
Additional Address:
Comments: ALSO BERGDOLL, JIM. 10/02/02 OOB PER RNI
 
Nov 23, 2008
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Catalina 36 Ventura
Thank you all for your feedback and info. I'm a beginner sailor and looking for a liveabord and bluewater boat. We've not been looking that long, it's just the Talisman is a very clean boat and looks well taken care of. We are thinking of a few other boats as well but I just wanted some more information. I will try to get the HIN. Thanks again.
 

sfgary

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Sep 25, 2008
123
Challenger sloop Alameda
Looks like a Challenger

Hoopncat, I'm pretty sure that is an updated Challenger. I own a Challenger 35 and if it is I can tell you it is a sound blue water boat. I have had mine for 6 yerrs and now gettung it ready to go crusing. If you need any info on Challengers my e-mail is in my public file. Gary
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,704
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Could be a bargain

I ran into the similar problem when I was buying my Nassau 34. No info on it. After 4 seasons I am very happy i went for it. It is a well constructed blue water boat that i could never have afforded had it been a common brand. Be careful and get a good surveyor. This could be a terrific opportunity to get an offshore boat at a bargain price. Look it over carefully. Quality is obvious if you look carefully.
 
Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Regardless, do look at the boat. It looks to be in excellent condition. Make an offer and if accepted, hire a surveyor to inspect the boat - out of the water. Then if you are confident, take her for a test drive. This is a buyers market. There are so many deals to be had. But I agree with SFGary, and as I also stated, it looks like a Challenger with some minor differences.

Let us know what you do.
 
Aug 2, 2005
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pearson ariel grand rapids
Not findinf any info on the boat should tell you something - CAUTION!
Not realy, With my last boat I was able to find three or four posts on the net using as many variations as possible for the name. It was a very nice little boat, and much sturdier and btter built than the boat it was cloned from. Was such a nice boat that even now I keep thinking I should have kept it.

Being able to find information doesn't mean it's good, on the contrary it could mean that it's a good boat and people don't need to post a lot of questions about it.



Ken.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,704
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
When I was trying to get info on my Nassau, i tried every combination of search words I could think of and finally located a couple of owners, but it took detective work. i found a name and port and then started contacting some yacht clubs, etc and finally found one Nassau owner who was very helpful to me. I did some searches on the Talisman and found an owner of a boat named OZ in Port Townsend, WA. That's a start and maybe if you keep digging, you can get hold of this owner.

I see in the posting a "Contact the owner" button. That, too, would be a good thing to do.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q="Talisman+37"+++Oz&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
 
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