Need hints on a Cherubini 36

[ErnestV]

Hi all,

I've newly registered here as I am currently looking into buying a Hunter 36, built 1980, so this must be a Cherubini design/build. Afaik this type was designed as masthead sloop, the concrete boat in question is however rigged as a cutter, has a bowsprit and obviously running backstays besides the "normal" backstays that seem to be there, when checking out the pictures.
You can see her here or here.
Of course this is quite a modification of the original concept so I'd like to ask you for your thoughts about that?

Additionally, again from the pictures, I found two or three issues that make me a bit wary. One thing is the anchor locker that has been (gross, in my opinion) modified to accommodate an electric windlass, the locker hatch being more or less brutally ripped off.

In one image I suspect a weak body, have a look at the post behind the keel:

Does this look like a dent or bulge to you as well?

Thanks a lot for your thoughts, much appreciated.

 

[woodster]

that boat has a lot of extras on it making it very heavy and may have caused the dimples on the stands you can only expect so much support from one spot .......or the stands may be too tight to the hull .....it only took one more straw to break the camels back

 

[ErnestV]

it only took one more straw to break the camels back

so you think the dimple might be a structural problem, or "only" mishandling during transport without further negative effects?
I know the question cannot be answered reliably, I just want to read some other thoughts (than mine).

 

[woodster]

mishandling during transport

only when you get the weight off that point will you know for sure i have seen this before and 99% of the time it pops back out without further problems just check that area inside and out after the weight is off ...if no cracks you are probably good to go

 

[Jim Legere]

That poor old girl is definitely overweight. And I hope the conversion to cutter was done by someone qualified...The Hunter 37C was designed as a cutter and has a keel-stepped mast that is further aft. I have walked away from purchasing boats with too many "add-ons". My $0.02.

I am sure some of the H36 owners will have advice for you.

 

[Alctel]

That cutter rig really gives me pause... the windvane is nice though

 

[ErnestV]

Being a non-native speaker you see me helpless - does this meen you like it, dislike it, can't believe it, would never touch such a boat?

 

[Alctel]

I mean, I would check with someone like a good surveyor that it was done properly. The boat next to me was a sloop turned cutter (a slutter), and they had an extra load of ballast bolted to the bottom.

 

[ErnestV]

Will have a local independent surveyor check her out anyway, in case I intend to buy. Thats for sure

 

[ErnestV]

Just returned from seeing this Hunter, and thank you all for your help. Actually this boat is more of a corpse...
The cutter rig took its toll to the hull. A lot of stress cracks emerging from the bowsprit, the forward bulkhead building extremely visible pushouts. The mast step sunk 1-2" so that the inside of the deck has already cracked (see photo). Although the boat is already half a year out of the water (or more) there is a lot of water in the bilge, the still wooden mast post must be rotting without end.
The running backs are fitted to the toerail - never saw something similar...

Nope, I didn't make an offer.

 

[rardiH36]

Seems that the particular boat you were looking at was modified with good intentions for anticipated heavy duty. And with the additional of the bowsprit and second jib, maybe also improved light wind performance was desired. Then the owners might have neglected for an extended period? My 1980 Cherubini Hunter 36 was never modified much. Still structurally quite sound the best I can observe. Thanks for sharing your discoveries. Better success with the next boat that catches your eye!

 

[Jim Legere]

If you really want the cutter rig, I suggest that you look for a Hunter 37 Cutter. It was designed and built as a cutter. I don't know if there are any in Marmaris. But there are likely other makes of cutter rigs for sale there - an huge number of boats in the marinas there, as I recall from my one quick visit via Rhodos. Good luck.

 

[ErnestV]

Thanks all who participate(d) here - and yes, I do want a cutter rig. Much more flexible when going offshore if done properly. Not so a racer - but I am neither ;-)
Time is on my side - I'm looking for a boat for retirement, and this is still 5 years to go. So I'm not in a hurry and in the comfortable position to wait for the right one.

 

[Alctel]

Sorry it didn't work out - sounds like you made the correct decision!

 

[braol]

Sorry it didn't work out. Moving a mast is not something one does lightly...I'm not surprised the deck took a beating near the new mast step area. Stepping a mast on the deck on anything requires major infrastructure support...especially on a 36'. That's why the mast is on the keel on the 37C. I bet they moved the mast, put a support underneath it in the cabin but failed to solidify the deck between...probably just a deck core wedged between a mast base and a compression post.