Need Help to identify two sailboats

[Hogan]

This past week, sailed Pickwick lake and saw three sailboats of same model, 30-32 feet and with very rounded stern. equipped with staysail. Lots of wood and scrolled trim pieces on bow and stern. What is it? Also spotted a narrow sailboat 24-26 ft. which obviously had a mast that rotated in the step. Mast shaped like an airfoil. Also had a boom of some kind located on the bow that looked to be extendable to 10 feet beyond the bow. What is this unusual craft?

 

[Rich (P303)]

attach...

photo.

 

[Hogan]

Too Stupid 2

take photos. And I had my camera along on the trip. Hope someone will recognize by description, then I can search for photos to confirm.

 

[newly anonymous]

the first one sounds like...

...a Hans Christian 33. probably the most common canoe-sterned cutter in that size range.

 

[Calif. Ted]

Well, There's a few boats could fit

that first description but " scrollwork" always makes me think of the Baba cutters, does that lake connect with the ocean ?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_yacht.

 

[Calif. Ted]

Amazing Alan, just when you think

you've seen it all, my first thought was "Well, that must put a little weight aloft!" but on searching a little found that the "aerorig" is Carbon fiber.

 

[Hogan]

Not what I saw, but interesting non the less

It was very apparent that the mast would rotate in the step. The mast was shaped like an airfoil. Got to find out more about this rig.

 

[Hogan]

A Baba may be the one

The Baba descriptions are very close. And yes, the lake does connect to the sea although it is a long trip. All three boats had the staysail arrangement and the extended forepeak. Thanks for your help.

 

[Joseph Shirley]

I don't know either boat but wanted to say about the second

that the original true sloop (i.e.; Friendship type) had a bowsprit, and the sloop of today was called a knockabout sloop (without a sprit). Additionally a true cutter had a jib boom that extended from the sprit of the sloop, so this could be an old design. Particularly if you know that the pivoting mast and the airfoil mast were both developed by the old wizard of Bristol, Nat Herrishoff (sp.?).Have funJoe S

 

[jackhartjr]

Hogan...just how big...

...big was this airfoil?I saw photos of something that was being tried a few years back where the airfoil was about 5 or 6 feet front to back and about a foot and a half or so at the widest. It was 40 or so feet tall. Does that sound right?Jack

 

[Hogan]

Not that wide

I estimate the mast base was 8" diameter then flared out to about 10"-11" wide in the airfoil section then a slow taper to the top; guessing 38 feet length. Next time I get in that area I will definitely get some pics. I am going to call the marina and get the owners name and number. Will report back here. Oh, I did notice the boat had a diesel inboard.

 

[Hogan]

That's it! It's a Baba for sure.

The first one I saw had the wooden mast and the molded lines in the hull had me thinking it was a wooden boat. Also noticed on it that the wheel was mounted low in the stern in front of a hump seat. Would love to sail one of these.

 

[Hogan]

Will research that. Remember reading

a description just as you stated in a book I read recently; maybe "Compleat Cruiser".

 

[Sunbird22358]

FREEDOM?

The 24-26' boat, was that boom that you say looked like it could extend about 10' past the bow mounted to the top of the bow pulpit? Was there a cloth tube attached to the underside of the pulpit and leading aft?Although I wouldn't call a Freedom 25 "narrow", some of them were fitted with a wing-mast (airfoil-shape) and a fully-battened main. They also had a spinnaker that was set to a pole/boom that pivoted on the top of the bow pulpit, the pole actually was mounted in a sleeve allowing it to be slid side to side to trim the chute to one side or the other. This spinnaker rig was called a "Hoyt Gun-mount".

 

[Hogan]

I think you are right, but not sure of the length

and no mention of whether the mast is adjustable. If it's not, then this mast was clearly sitting askew in the step. The gun mount device is clear in the photos on a 25 and the straight back stern also looks the same. The side windows on the boat I saw were long narrow swooshes similar to the ones on my 1988 Precision 23, but quite a bit longer. And there was a depth finder and a log positioned over the hatch top, similar to some Beneteaus.