Need advice on relocating main sheet

Oct 21, 2014
190
Oday 22 Richmond
Good morning. My main sheets are what I guess you would call conventionally mounted. That is to say there is a block on either side of the cockpit about a foot forward of the transom. I noticed that in later models of my boat they moved the main sheet pulley to a plate made into the aft stay. Now that I have had some time to sail I can see why they did this. With the way it is now rigged I am constantly getting assaulted by the main sheet. I do not want to have to get a new aft stay with the plate mounted in it. Is there any way to retrofit something that will get my main sheet out of my face without having to purchase and rig a new aft stay? Perhaps clamp a mount to the stay somehow? Thanks for any feedback.
 
Jul 14, 2015
840
Catalina 30 Stillhouse Hollow Marina
Google sailboat main sheet attachments and lokk at Images. You will get all kinds of ideas
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,432
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Look into a traveler system. That plate assembly doesn't sound like much of an improvement.
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
Look into a traveler system. That plate assembly doesn't sound like much of an improvement.
Agree- the plate on the back stay will put a point load on something you do not want compromised.. Bad idea.

I'd research some sort of traveler arrangement.

On a 21 footer I used to own, I built a bridge deck into he boat and set the traveler on that worked quite well. Of course had to go to mid boom sheeting
 

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Oct 21, 2014
190
Oday 22 Richmond
Thanks guys. I looked at some traveler systems and they all seem to have a track running across the transom. I don't see how this would work with the tiller. I think some kind of bridle may be better with the tiller running under the bridle. Perhaps 3/4" or 1" stainless tubing bent at both ends kind of like a very deep shower stall hand hold. If it was about 6" deep it would clear the tiller and also be a good place to help boarding from the ladder. A sheave running on the tubing would act like a traveler but be elevated. Not sure got to look closely at the dimensions. Thanks.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
You have an O'day 22. Many O'days use end boom sheeting, 3:1 down to a fiddle block with cam cleat mounted to a SS triangle plate in-line on the backstay, about 18" up from the chain plate.

Any kind of mainsheet that is not on a traveler sucks from a sail control standpoint while close reaching and close hauled. The mainsheet controls leech tension and twist in the main, and the traveller controls angle of attack, and allows the boom to be centered while still allowing proper twist for better pointing in light winds. But smaller daysailers like the O'day 20, 22, 192, 222, 23, etc. and other boats like the Precision line, sacrifice the increased main sail control of a traveler for a bigger and more open cockpit. Keeping the mainsheet end boom and attached to a fixed point (be it backstay strop as on O'days, or a short wire bridle on Precisions) completely opens up the cockpit. It may cause heart palpitations to a racer, but most daysailing cruisers don't mind the simpler setup.

You can call D&R Marine: www.drmarine.com and speak with Rudy about your boat's setup. He will probably have a new backstay assembly with triangle plate, and you will need proper fiddle blocks with cam cleats for the new 3:1 mainsheet.

I would definitely do this modification. I have sailed a Com-Pac 19 with the triangle style mainsheet arrangement you describe, and I think it SUCKS. There is far too much friction in this system, and it's almost impossible for the boom to ride out for deeper reaching and running angle of attack settings.

Note that with the new end boom mainsheet arrangement I suggest, you can improve control of your leech tension and twist by "vang sheeting" which essentially controls leech tension by balancing the boom between an easily adjustable topping lift, and the vang. However, such an arrangement can't get the boom on the centerline.

Even a boat with a properly rigged and easily adjusted traveler can benefit from an adjustable topping lift for light air, so that the boom can be lifted to set twist when there isn't enough wind pressure for the sail to overcome the weight of the boom.

Here are some pics of the mainsheet on my O'day 192:





You can also see my 2:1 topping lift, which I run forward along the boom to an alloy clam cleat. It's the red and white line. No matter how far out the boom is, even for a dead run, I can still reach the TL adjustment cleat without leaning over the side of the boat. :D Also, note that my blocks for the mainsheet are stock Schaefer, but I've replaced the horrid metal/plastic jawed Schaefer cam cleat with a proper Harken H150 equivalent (it's actually a Viadana cam cleat, same design as an H150 at half the cost.)
 

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Oct 21, 2014
190
Oday 22 Richmond
Very nice Brian. Thanks. I have end boom sheeting now as seen in the photo enclosed. I have to be honest with you. I am not a racer. I think she sails just fine and I don't even have a vang. I went out in the Potomac river yesterday just North of Smith Point if you know where that is. Wind at 20 knots gusting to 27. She points well enough for me and took the 3 foot chop well although it was a pretty wet ride with spindrift being a problem close hauled. I just have a hard time staying out of the main sheets. I have two rod holders at opposite sides of the transom and dealing with those is no fun with a main sheet system in your face. I would like to get it back a little farther as the backstay triangle plate seems to do. I would not be opposed to mounting a stern rail/traveler type of setup because that would get my rig above the tiller, give me a place to hang onto and also assist me in getting my big butt out of the water if need be. It's fine for me now but I think there is need for improvement. I can see why they went to the triangle plate in the later models. ( I'm assuming they did this to clear up the cockpit).
 

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Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
I have thought a lot about where I would put a traveller on my boat. One option is a raised bridge across the transom. The other is a traveller across the seats with a change to mid-boom sheeting.

The seat traveller is undesirable because I wouldn't be able to lay down on the seats anymore. And the transom mounted traveller would be taller with more stuff to climb over coming up the swim ladder. Still, I see your point it might make for some other handholds while climbing over...

Like you, I like how the boat sails well enough. She wasn't designed to have an adjustable backstay or traveller, so I hesitate to go crazy and mount these types of things. Still, when your mindset is "Sail it like you stole it," even if you aren't a dedicated racer, you start to think thoughts.... ;D;D;D

Your mainsheet definitely looks like it has a lot of friction in it. That could be improved with different line. I'm a big fan of New England Ropes Salsa. It's a single braid that doesn't collapse in cam cleats, and it runs very smoothly through blocks (so much so that Hobie 16 racers use it for their 10:1 mainsheets) and it feels nice in the hands. While that would make a smoother acting mainsheet, it's still a lot of lines swinging around the cockpit, and it wouldn't help with your rod holder tanglement at all.

Give Rudy a call and see what he says about changing over the backstay and mainsheet...