N30 Diesel Hard Start

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Jan 15, 2011
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Newport 30MKII Bayview ID
My 78 N30 MKII has a Volvo Penta MD7A motor with it, compression start type (no gloplugs)...I am having an excessivley hard time getting it to start...it turns over just fine, but takes about 2-3 minutes of cranking to start. When it gets running, I have a lot of vibration through the frame members and I suspect that the mounts may also be "dead"...any ideas?

We have no Volvo Penta dealer or mechanics in this area that handle diesels...the closest is over 300 miles away on the coast.

Ed Simpson
Spokane WA
 
Sep 25, 2008
1,096
CS 30 Toronto
Check the valve first

How long ago did you check the fuel filter?
If you change the filter recently, did you bleed the system.
If you can, check the valves. Follow the instruction on the manual. Wasn't too hard.
If that fails, take the injectors out and bring them to diesel shop. Truck uses diesel so there would be plenty mechanics around.
Last but not least, compression test. Not easy.






My 78 N30 MKII has a Volvo Penta MD7A motor with it, compression start type (no gloplugs)...I am having an excessivley hard time getting it to start...it turns over just fine, but takes about 2-3 minutes of cranking to start. When it gets running, I have a lot of vibration through the frame members and I suspect that the mounts may also be "dead"...any ideas?

We have no Volvo Penta dealer or mechanics in this area that handle diesels...the closest is over 300 miles away on the coast.

Ed Simpson
Spokane WA
 
Jun 9, 2008
1,801
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Diesel engines start because of the compression built up in the cylinders which compress the fuel in the combustion chambers hence igniting the fuel just like a spark plug would on a gas engine. If it is hard starting, there are a few things to think about. First, make sure you are getting good, clean diesel fuel through your system. Bleeding the fuel system will get out all air bubbles, etc. If that is impossible to do, then you might have a loose fitting somewhere in the run of fuel delivery hose or fittings or need to replace some washers, etc. Also, you want to make sure there is no water in the fuel. This can happen because of condensation which will build up if you store your boat all winter with a fuel tank that has not been topped off. Or, you could have a bad rubber o-ring around the fuel fill deck fitting that lets rain water or seawater into the tank. Assuming your fuel is not contaminated (clean/change the filters regularly), and it is air tight and no water is in the diesel, then I would check compression. It could be as simple as bad rings. Take about an ounce of oil, or Marvelous Mystery Oil, and pour it on top of your cylinders. This coating will give a temporary seal to your cylinders which might give you enough compression to start the engine right away. If this works, I suspect either your piston rings are sticking and the oil lubricated them so they now do the job properly, or if you have to repeatedly pour the oil on the cylinders, I presume you need a ring job, but a compression test would be a good thing to perform.
Other problems could be dirty or bad injector(s). If you pulled the injector and then aimed it at a piece of paper (still hooked up to the fuel line) and then turned over the engine, the pattern on the paper should be a nice circle. If not, or the fuel is not delivered at all or properly, that could be your problem. The injector pump is the last thing to consider. If it is not working, then obviously you aren't getting fuel delivered to the injectors. These are things the boat owner can perform on his/her own before calling up the mechanic. It might save you some money. Hope this helps some.
 
Jan 15, 2011
44
Newport 30MKII Bayview ID
Thanks for the insight...I know what to do with a gasser, but this is the first diesel that I have owned. I'll try the things you suggest once the weather breaks and I put it back into service. BTW, I topped off the fuel and put conditioner into the system before winter, but I will check the lines and injectors later...Ed
 
Sep 25, 2008
1,096
CS 30 Toronto
Deck fill o-ring

Double check the deck fill o-ring. They let in water if cracked just a hair line.
 
Jan 15, 2011
44
Newport 30MKII Bayview ID
going up next weekend to try to get it started....thanks for all the help and advice...
Ed
 
Jan 15, 2011
44
Newport 30MKII Bayview ID
Thanks to all...had a couple of issues...first of all, the previous owner had spliced in an extra section of fuel line, which ended up acting like a p trap and having to pump the fuel up each time...second of all, the marina owner let me know that the last time the previous owner had put fuel in the boat was about 6 years ago...I ended up pulling the sending unit and siphoning a bunch of "gunk" out of the tank...then dosing it liberally with diesel conditioner, then changing the filter. It starts a little better now but I fear the rings are going. I will have the marina mechanic pull a compression test later this summer and see what is going on. Again, thanks for all the good ideas...
 
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