My Incredible Luck

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Nov 22, 2008
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Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Not the title most people would select for a post about their boat being tied disabled to a marina dock with another grand plus of repair cost looming. Maybe it’s my irrepressible positivity that accounts for the high view numbers of my posts.

I powered over to Eastport (next to Annapolis) last Friday and then spent the weekend doing something rare for me, being crew. Story here on Jimm’s blog:

http://chesapeaketidings.com/2012/04/22/about-tax-day/

I left early this morning to get across the bay before the wind got up to the full force forecast and backed around to the southwest. It was a nice run down the bay, motorsailing on a beam reach with about half the jib out really hauling. Cold low clouds were scudding over a bay with a lot of white on it and it was spitting rain. I was thinking how nice it was to feel confident about the engine again as handling sails alone in those conditions would have been more fun than I felt like after a weekend of partying.

I sailed under jib alone up the Miles River and around Tilghman Point. Reaching down towards St. Michaels I suddenly felt and heard a bang. I thought for an instant I had run aground but the sounder showed over 20 feet. There was nothing visible in the water. Maybe it was just a wave catching the counter just right but I’ve never felt one like that before.

I started the engine about a mile later and noticed that there a bit more vibration than usual. I’d just started thinking about it when there was a very loud crash and the engine started vibrating wildly. I shut down and checked what I could see inside and for any stuffing box leakage but everything looked fine except for a jacket drain hose that had fallen off the engine from the shaking.

I started the engine again and cautiously brought up the power. It felt exactly like when I’ve picked up a big snarl of rope, heavy vibration and about a quarter the normal power for any RPM. I sailed as close as I could and motored the last quarter mile at idle which kept the vibration just below alarming.

I’ve needed to get new shaft zincs installed anyway so I decided to let a diver clear the prop. The first one I called was sick but gave me the name of another. He was still in his wet suit from another job and just 15 minutes away so standing at the town dock to help me tie up when I limped over from the anchorage.

The diver went down, came right back up, and said, “Have you got a spare prop?”



I was stunned. I never would have believed a one bladed prop could propel a boat even that well. The strains on the strut and shaft must have been enormous. If this had happened 5-10 miles out and I had thought I was just dealing with a rope snarl, I hate to think what might have happened. I’ve limped to a harbor with those before.

I called H&H Propeller to have them look up the diameter and pitch and asked about delivery time in case I couldn’t find a prop locally. Five weeks.

Kastel Brothers just down the road have one in stock and just need a day to re-pitch and machine it. The pilot bore is for a larger shaft but they will put a nylon bushing in it intended for that use. The bushing will be a little more forgiving than metal so the prop won’t need to be lapped to the shaft and the diver will be able to put it back on. I should be underway again by the end of the week.

I’m now tied to the St. Michaels Marina dock. The diver and I were able to just pull the boat 100 feet down the pier that the marina shares with the town dock and I’m all set for the next few days in one of the nicest places on the Chesapeake to be stuck. I’ve been wondering when I could commit to being in one place long enough to refinish my wheel before all that beautiful rope work gets too worn so that conundrum is solved.

Thinking about some of the places this blade could have come off in the last few thousand miles gave me the idea for the title of this post.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Actually Roger that is some pretty amazing luck. Perhaps you picked up a piece of line from a crab pot, who knows. You may never know why your prop committed single flukicide. As it is said: "If it is going to happen, it will happen out there." As you said, it could have happened in a lot worse places and St. Michaels should provide a welcome respite.

Not sure what size prop the E 32' uses but I have a newly reconditioned 13" x 8" RH prop for a 1" shaft that I was keeping as a spare. If you need or want it I'd let you have it for $175 (including shipping), or perhaps I should keep it just in case.
 

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Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Not sure what size prop the E 32' uses but I have a newly reconditioned 13" x 8" RH prop for a 1" shaft that I was keeping as a spare.
The standard E 32 prop is a 16 x 12 but I had mine re-pitched to 14 which was a better match for the engine and improved cruising economy. The only downside was rather fast boat speed at idle. Having to shift into neutral occasionally when trying to creep through places like mooring fields is a good trade off in my mind. Slow speed performance is the reason many production sailboats are under pitched.

The prop shop here measured my prop and said it was actually a 16 x 13. Since it was perfect for the boat, I told them to just match it. It was worth getting the old prop off and into their hands instead of just relying on the written record.
 
Jun 14, 2011
277
Hunter 22 Fin Keel Lake Martin
Maybe time for a nice folder prop? :-D

Just thinking about where it could have let go gives me the willies!
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Maybe time for a nice folder prop?
This will be expensive enough. It will be the second month that my unexpected expenses have been more than a grand and nearly as much as my expected ones.

I enjoy Strider as much as a powerboat as a sailboat so I'm willing to put up with some loss of sailing speed in order to have the positive handling and backing of a solid wheel.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
The standard E 32 prop is a 16 x 12 but I had mine re-pitched to 14 which was a better match for the engine and improved cruising economy. The only downside was rather fast boat speed at idle. Having to shift into neutral occasionally when trying to creep through places like mooring fields is a good trade off in my mind. Slow speed performance is the reason many production sailboats are under pitched.

The prop shop here measured my prop and said it was actually a 16 x 13. Since it was perfect for the boat, I told them to just match it. It was worth getting the old prop off and into their hands instead of just relying on the written record.
Roger,

I think I have a 16X12X1 two blade in my barn. What direction is yours? It is slightly dezincified but not nearly as bad as yours was...
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Roger,

I think I have a 16X12X1 two blade in my barn. What direction is yours? It is slightly dezincified but not nearly as bad as yours was...

Actually just checked it is a 16X13X1 LH two blade. I also have a three blade 16X12X1 RH.... You're welcome to use either as long as you like..
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,277
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
I threw a blade on my ski boat a long time ago and was told that I was lucky that it didn't hit the bottom of the boat. The dealer (a friend of mine) gave me a new prop because he said it came from a defective lot. He said he had another boat in the shop that wasn't as lucky because the blade was thrown thru the hull and did some damage, not to mention the water that came in. I'm pretty sure mine hit a rock ... I was skiing and I didn't like the way the driver drifted too close to the shoreline (not paying attention to my specific instructions!) where I knew there could be a problem. The other boat that he had to repair, he said the metal was just plain defective and the blade was thrown even though it hadn't hit anything.

Just a nick on 3-blade prop for a ski boat produces a nasty vibration ... a whole blade missing is far worse.
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
Rooogerrrr... you should have broken it over here in Eastport. I have the 16-13 off my B323 that I changed out for a folder..
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
...snip...
The prop shop here measured my prop and said it was actually a 16 x 13. Since it was perfect for the boat, I told them to just match it. It was worth getting the old prop off and into their hands instead of just relying on the written record.
It makes a lot of sense to just get what you had on there before. You know what it felt like and so did your engine. But > $1000 = ouch! Everything adds up but still, ouch!

We did a semi-planned drive train overhaul on our Tartan 27' this winter and for a new SS shaft, Cutless bearing, stern tube, stuffing box repacking etc. we've spent 5 - 600 for parts including the 'spare' prop. Of course my labor is free and subject to scrutiny.

The job was 'semi-planned' because we only found out we needed a new shaft after trying to replace the Cutless bearing and found the old bronze shaft badly worn down.

You will live to sail and motor another day. Fair winds and following seas.
 
Mar 23, 2011
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Down East Yachts Downeaster 38 040 Milford, CT
Wow, I had Argyle re-propped with a 3 blade Campbell Sailor when I re-powered a few years ago. I kept the old Michigan Wheel 2 blade and it's in the bottom of a fore-peak locker somewhere. It's definitely a good item to have around as a spare.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Actually just checked it is a 16X13X1 LH two blade.
Thanks very much but it would be tough backing all the way to Maine. My transmission isn't one of those that you can simply run in reverse:)

I'm sure the engine would never swing the 3 blade.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,093
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Interesting luck story.. I threw a blade in Pensacola .. on a trip... the day before, I had been involved in a LOT of wind/waves and had to use motor to keep nose pointed more or less where I wanted to go.. Would have been very interesting had it broken during that .. The next day, it broke, breaking the strut as well from the vibration.. I felt very lucky since I was in a place that was better to work in than my home port (great DIY boat yard and prop shop next door) and when I considered what I'd been in the day before..
 
May 24, 2004
7,173
CC 30 South Florida
When resources are limited they best be used wisely. That is one reason why when on a long trip repairs have to be categorized into "critical or trip ending" or "can wait till I get back" type. Either type could end the trip at different times but pouring all resources on a "can wait" prematurely will surely end it if a "critical" repair becomes necessary and the resources have been depleted. A broken prop is a "critical" repair but a leaking rear main seal need not be. I know this is going back to a non-existent condition but a few advocated at that time that it was prudent to replace the seal then. The trip ain't over yet so prioritize. Don't forget to inspect them old engine mounts in case that wild vibration may have damaged one of them. Go eat some crabs and see the skipjacks at the museum.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Roger,
Your pictures look like you have both pieces of the prop? How is that possible? Do you agree with Mainesail on dezincification as the culprit? Does the broken area show signs of metal fatigue as noted by a crack propagating or other type of failure? How common is this failure in sailboats? What are the signs of zinc depletion so it can be inspected during haulouts?
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Your pictures look like you have both pieces of the prop?
Look closely, that other piece is a detail insert that I cut and pasted in. EVERYONE I've heard from thinks it's the other blade now resting somewhere in the Miles River.

The prop is original 1980 and had an electrical problem for years that I just tracked down the source of last spring when I discovered that the PO had used part of the bonding system for the (-) wire of the fuel pump.

The prop was reconditioned, re-pitched, and inspected last winter. The red area in the break doesn't run out onto the surface at all so I think there was probably a pre-existing crack or casting flaw that promoted corrosion in that area. I would think that straight corrosion would be more distributed on the surface. I've had the boat stopped under sail by pot warps fouling the blades.

I certainly did hit something though. The engine was running fine. I shut down to sail and hit something. There was slightly excessive vibration as soon as I restarted about 20 minutes later. I was just wondering what that cold be when the blade came off. It was clearly slightly bent after the impact.
 
Dec 2, 2003
1,637
Hunter 376 Warsash, England --
Unless one has owned a prop since new nobody knows how many times it has been re-pitched. Nor indeed how many times the re-pitcher 'tweaked' each blade back and forth until he got it right.

Striking something whilst under way with enough force to seriously crack a 'normal' prop would be an eye watering, tooth jarring incident and would most likely bend the shaft in the process. One would certainly remember it very well and worry accordingly.

IMHO we must conclude the prop was already seriously weakened - and yet DZ effects normally work from the outside inwards and twisting to re-pitch likewise hardly affects the inner structure of the metal.

Tough luck Roger. Hope nothing else suffered e.g. shaft, cutless, log or 'P' bracket.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Striking something whilst under way with enough force to seriously crack a 'normal' prop would be an eye watering, tooth jarring incident and would most likely bend the shaft in the process.
I would think so too but this prop has had a number of strains, stopping the boat under sail when snagging a pot wharp, chopping up lobster pots, chopping branches in the ICW, let alone whatever I don't know about between 1980 and 2005. The blade was clearly half to quarter strength when I hit something under sail a half hour or so before starting the engine. It probably would have gone a bit further if not for that, perhaps up to the tardy bridge I was just waiting for with a wind and strong current behind me:)

Hope nothing else suffered e.g. shaft, cutless, log or 'P' bracket.
I just ran hard for 20 miles and everything feels rock solid. Boat is much smoother.
 
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