My early sailng

Oct 30, 2019
64
This is, and isn't about our Vegas. My parents had a sailng sharpy
so I started young. The truth was my father was less intersted in
sailing than Getting out into the Chesapeake bay to fish. It was during
the Depression so complimenting our diet with sea food was well worth
doing. Our boat 40ft long and the same width of our Vegas at 8ft were
very fas in sail, often sailing 13 or 14knots. Dad could not afford an
engine but with a fast boat he didn't need one.. The narrow hull gave
her a much faster hull speed than our modern boats. Because the boats
of that time had cotton sails we kept them moored out so we could dry
the sails. With the foot of the sails hanging free and swinging in the
wind there was no chance the boat would turn and try to sail downwind in
a thunder storm. When I got a little older it was my job to drop the
sails when dry or run them back up after a rain shower. About 1940 my
father got an old cement mixer Gasoline engine that we called old"Make
and break". Single cylinder she sounded like bump around, around, bump
around, around open the throttle and we went down the creek bump bump
bump at about 4 knots. No reverse.
The difference between a Marine engine and a tractor engine back
then was that the Marine engine could be Saltwater cooled other engine
would rust out so were fresh water cooled. Most here in the states
were gasoline engines and set out in the cockpit with an engine box over
it. You took the box off when running the engine to prevent a possible
explosion. Our MD6 was design in the 1920's or earlier as industrial
engines. An old German ,now passed on, told me his Dad maintained a
bunch of these little engines where the pumped waste water through to
the sea. He said the ran 24 hours a day seven days a week often for
twenty years when the were rebuilt to run anther 20 years. The cast iron
blocks are high nickel castings that are saltwater resistant. Most
modern engines are thin walled allowing them to be light have no nickel
in them and will rust out quickly if salt water is used in them. Iam not
finding fault with these new light engines I think are good ones. They
get a lot of their power by running faster which modern oils and engine
material allow without damage. I don't like the the higher pitched
sound the make but that is just my preference.
Around the turn of the century and into the 1930's men were
sailing racing canoes all over the world and in some places they sailed
sharpes. Most modern Cruser racers evoved from the canoes. I think the
vega came from some of both types. If you look at her bottom amidships
she is a bit "v' bottomed with a straight run in the middle. Most
sailboats to day have a length to with racio of 3 to 1 that works with
the hull speed formula we all use to predict the hull speed of a boat.
Because the Vega has a 3 1/2 to one it has a slighty higher hull speed
than most racer crusiers while maintaing directional stability and good
righting capabilities. I think her designer hit it just right. Her
somewhat shallow draft makes her perfect for along the shallows of our
East coast here in the states as well as at her ocean home a thousnad
miles off shore. All things conciderd for me she is the finest little
boat I have ever sailed. From the point of view of looks I wish she did
not have a flat shear, but if I had to look over a taller cabin from
the helm I would wish back the flat shear I think. Doug
 
Oct 30, 2019
234
Hi Doug

Thank you for that reminiscence. The change in life style between your
childhood and the present day bring home how easy our life now is.

Best Wishes

David Wisdish
V3283 - Scotland

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Great post Doug.
Thank you.
John V1447 Breakaway
On 28 Jul 2015, at 18:06, "Douglas Pollard
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Feb 13, 2010
528
David that struck me as funny because I was thinking while writing
how complex and dificult Our lives are today compared to easy ours
were back then and feeling a little sorry for my grandchildren. :) Doug
 
Oct 30, 2019
234
Doug I am a mere youth at 73! Its all about perspective. Your view
rightly is of the complexity of our technology and complex living.
Mine is of having food on the table without having to go fishing. David

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David that struck me as funny because I was thinking while writing how
complex and dificult Our lives are today compared to easy ours were back then
and feeling a little sorry for my grandchildren. :)
Doug
 
Dec 16, 2011
77
I love this
Angeles ashes has nothing on us. I grew up in an orfanage join the Brit Para's then the French ligion poverty was something I understand deaply. We improvised overcame and learned to be effective.
 

Gazuum

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Oct 23, 2010
67
Pearson P365K Port Angeles
As a newbie here and with Vegas, I have a couple of questions as to
offshore work.
Being reportedly tender, doesn't it get tiresome being heeled all the
time? And being light, I would think it would have a quick motion which
would also get tiresome.
What say you all?
Thx
Gordon
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Boat’s not that tender. If you sail at more than 18 deg or so you should probably reduce sail.Yes, the boat is light and bounces around a little. That’s what you get in a 27 ft blue water boat that can go in lighter breezes. Tradeoff. 
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Mar 26, 2014
14
I\'m relatively new also, bought my Vega last summer. It is only my second season. The boat is not that tender. I agree with M. Walsh, if you heel more than 20 degree, or so, a reduction of sails is in order I think.As for the motion at sea, I found that Isis, my Vega, bounces far less than modern designs or boat built in the 80 like Ketl, Jeanneau, etc. Must be the modified full keel and the overall design of the hull I guess. When you check motion confort using Ted Brewer\'s formula, results are not bad. Of course, it doesn\'t compare with a BCC or the likes :) Jean-François Racine Sailing Isis, Albin Vega Hull #703Envoyé de mon iPadLe 2015-07-29 à 10:50, Nico Walsh nwalsh@... [AlbinVega] <AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
I joined the Royal Signals so learnt how to drink
beer....
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I love this Angeles ashes has nothing on us. I grew up in an orfanage
join the Brit Para's then the French ligion poverty was something I understand
deaply. We improvised overcame and learned to be effective.








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Nov 8, 2001
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Hi Gordon

Set your sails correctly and there is no heeling,
not a tender boat at all. Over 20 have now circumnavigated with their
Vega...

Only thing I can suggest is have a go, try sailing
with someone who owns a Vega. You will soon fall in love with them!

Cheers

Steve B
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As a newbie here and with Vegas, I have a couple of questions as to
offshore work.Being reportedly tender, doesn't it get tiresome being
heeled all the time? And being light, I would think it would have a quick
motion which would also get tiresome.What say you
all?ThxGordon








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Feb 13, 2010
528
I to start with don't belive her to be tender. She has adquite keel
and ballast, her bottom has about 15 degrees deadrise generally
means reefing at about 20 degress heel for comfort and easy
control. I would call that a light roll with a resistance to
rolling farther. A heavy boat rolling may well roll hard enough to
flop sails allowing even more roll as it has the momentum of that
weight. I had a 36 ft boat wide and heavy and she had 23 degreese
dead rise such a boat with her longer roll needed a stronger mast
and rigging whose higher weight increased the length of her roll
and slowed it so that running downwind at all she was hard to
control. Two hours at the Helm were about as much as anyone
wanted.The good news about her roll was so slow and long she would
not roll from an overtaking powerboat wake at all. She simply pumped
strait up and down and was was very comfortable. The long roll
caused her to slew around in a following sea. A good designer can
so design a boat light, or heavy narrow or wide so she salis well
and that is the genius of the Job. I think Browhill did an excellent
job. As the saying goes all these boats are a compromise so you just
have to pick one that suits. I hope yoy pick well. Once I had not
and regretted it but that is long ago behind me now. Doug

On 07/29/2015 10:19 AM, Gordon
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Dec 16, 2011
77
She is not tender. Go sailing in this and other hulls before developing an opinion . A Vega is a bomb proof sailboat if you want to experience what she can do come visit Halifax mate and I will show you where the iron crosses grow. properly handled she can cross oceans
 
Aug 29, 2011
103
The Vega really is not tender. As the designer, Per Brohall, says in the handbook, the Vega is tender to 15 degrees then stiffens up. I agree totally with the contributor who said reef at 18 degrees. You don't lose speed at all, and you sail at 15 degrees which is comfortable. Some have said she is bouncy. Well a lot less bouncy than similar length Firsts and Janneaus etc. she is a heavy boat for her length, well ballasted. The long fin also helps stability. We crossed from Menorca to Algherro, Sardinia, in two days of SE F6 sailing hard on the wind, with two reefs in the main and the genny rolled to the second reef point. The Monitor steered the whole way and although we often slammed into the troughs of waves, we never for a moment felt uncomfortable, let alone insecure. Tom Fenton
 

Gazuum

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Oct 23, 2010
67
Pearson P365K Port Angeles
  Which brings up another question. Outboard motors and wind vanes. I'm thinking an outboard for an offshore boat such as a Vega w/o a well would be exposed too much, but to take it aboard would be awkward and a storage space hog. Also, an outboard and a large wind vane such as a Monitor wouldn't be compatible (spacewise) or would it?   Thx Gordon
 
Apr 2, 2013
283
You named your boat ISIS?Sent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎July‎ ‎29‎, ‎2015 ‎8‎:‎59‎ ‎AMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]
 









I\'m relatively new also, bought my Vega last summer. It is only my second season. The boat is not that tender. I agree with M. Walsh, if you heel more than 20 degree, or so, a reduction of sails is in order I think.As for the motion at sea, I found that Isis, my Vega, bounces far less than modern designs or boat built in the 80 like Ketl, Jeanneau, etc. Must be the modified full keel and the overall design of the hull I guess. When you check motion confort using Ted Brewer\'s formula, results are not bad. Of course, it doesn\'t compare with a BCC or the likes :) Jean-François Racine Sailing Isis, Albin Vega Hull #703Envoyé de mon iPadLe 2015-07-29 à 10:50, Nico Walsh nwalsh@... [AlbinVega] <AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
 
May 19, 2015
4
ISIS has been an Egyptian god for much longer than it has been a mangled set of initials for a would be government...
 
Apr 2, 2013
283
That is true, but it just caught my eye seeing what ISIS stands for in 2015 is all.LarrySV-Lilly Too-2761Sent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: ?Thursday?, ?July? ?30?, ?2015 ?8?:?01? ?PMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]




ISIS has been an Egyptian god for much longer than it has been a mangled set of initials for a would be government...
 
Apr 2, 2013
283
Well I grew up with a mom who wheeled anything she could get her hands on. Once she grabbed my little brother…lol. I would have been safer in the French Legion…but it was mom…lol.    Sent from Mail for Windows 10    From: beowulf@... [AlbinVega]Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:01 AMTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [AlbinVega] My early sailng      I love this Angeles ashes has nothing on us. I grew up in an orfanage join the Brit Para\'s then the French ligion poverty was something I understand deaply. We improvised overcame and learned to be effective.