midship cleat mounting

May 29, 2013
130
catalina 30 dana point
I just bought a Hunter 335. We are very pleased with the boat but want to mount midship cleats port and starboard. Our configuration does not have a toe rail or tracks. It is a very clean deck.

Anybody out there have/had the same problem and a solution?
 
May 29, 2013
130
catalina 30 dana point
Thanks, Stu! I hate drilling holes in my deck but I am afraid that is my only option. The Admiral wants her midcleats. We are both senior citizens and these tools give her confidence in her docking procedures. We are in Dana Point and have a downing slip. The wind conditions here are not as dramatic as you may be used to, but all the help we can get is is a good thing. We both have many hours sailing out of Pt. Richmond, btw.
 
May 29, 2013
130
catalina 30 dana point
To you have a jib track? Not ideal but no drilling required.
Yes, but it is located about 12" inside the edge of the hull (don't know the proper terminology). I have a Hunter335.

I am playing around with the idea of using the stanchion bases as an option. Will inspect for backing, etc. Perhaps I can find a fitting the allows me to mount a cleat on the base. I'll take some pix at the boat and post them.

I am in a downwind slip but generally our wind conditions are fairly benign. Also, the Hunter335 has very responsive engine controls and is very easy to bleed off speed when entering my slip. Much better, by the way, than my Catalina 30, my previous boat.
 

Jeff

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Sep 29, 2008
195
Hunter 33.5 Carlyle Lake in Central Illinois
Stanchions??

I suspect even with a backing plate and bracing the stanchions might not be up to the challenges of a spring line. It's tough enough to keep them from leaking.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,996
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
1. Yes, but it is located about 12" inside the edge of the hull (don't know the proper terminology). I have a Hunter335.

2. I am playing around with the idea of using the stanchion bases as an option.
rg,

1 Use the track, pictures in the link I sent shows mine. If you're concerned about the gunwale, put a rub strake on it. I haven't needed one in 17 years.

2. Do NOT do it. You'll be sorry if you do. Stanchion rebedding is a PITA and if you break one two things will happen: 1) you'll have to buy a new stanchion; 2) you'll break your boat when the stanchion breaks if you're using it.
 
May 29, 2013
130
catalina 30 dana point
I suspect even with a backing plate and bracing the stanchions might not be up to the challenges of a spring line. It's tough enough to keep them from leaking.
Thanks for your input, it scares me, too. But, I have seen the stanchion base used as a mount for a fairlead. ???

I really hate the idea of a docking line running over the deck from a cleat mounted on the inboard location on the track used to mount the jib car. The deck is so clean now. Since I have been known to inbibe while using the boat, adding another obstruction is asking for trouble! I guess i can stop drinking beer...
 
May 29, 2013
130
catalina 30 dana point
rg,

1 Use the track, pictures in the link I sent shows mine. If you're concerned about the gunwale, put a rub strake on it. I haven't needed one in 17 years.

2. Do NOT do it. You'll be sorry if you do. Stanchion rebedding is a PITA and if you break one two things will happen: 1) you'll have to buy a new stanchion; 2) you'll break your boat when the stanchion breaks if you're using it.
Thank you, Chief! Never thought of the rub strake...
 
Feb 8, 2014
1,300
Columbia 36 Muskegon
The track mounted cleats work fine, but they are a trip hazard. We call ours "toe busters". The big advantage is you can keep them in a drawer and only mount when needed. You can also move them around to get the geometry just right. Sometimes moving the cleat a few inches makes a big difference in how the boat rides to the spring line. You're not likely to hit that sweet spot bolting a cleat down.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,996
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I believe they should be mounted on a track and left there. In one of my links and the links within that link, one of our skippers said he bought ONE and then had to race around to move it to the OTHER SIDE!!!! when he docked for fuel. Nonsense! Buy two.

Tripping hazard? Yes, could be. Based on the geometry of your deck and track, it may or may not be an issue. Because of the way my boat is laid out, even with its wide side decks, I almost always hit one because the "stride" from cockpit to past the dodger puts my foot (feet?:)) there. Because of that, I NEVER go forward without shoes on, and also feel that while some think bare feet give good traction, it doesn't work for me.

In many cases, there are end stops on tracks which make taking them on & off a PITA, right? I have mine FORWARD of the jib fairlead cars, so I wouldn't do that anyway. I also left the track stops OFF when I put the cleats on the track. It doesn't affect the cleats, since I never take them off, but changing the fairlead cars is made lots easier, since I never have to mess with the track stop ever again.

I also disagree about the placement issue. You can use a midships spring line all the way from your jib sheet winch to any point around midships. The real issue is simply how much line you pay out to the dock cleat and how much throttle and helm you need to "balance" the boat. Try it and you'll see. I used to use the jib sheet winch on our C25, now use the track cleats on our C34.

Just sharing my reality, YMMV, but probably not too much.

rg, yes, you could use glue for the strakes, but two small screws ain't gonna mess up your gunwales. I still don't think you need them, I haven't after 17 years.

Good luck.