Max Heel Motor Sailing

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Jeff

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Sep 29, 2008
195
Hunter 33.5 Carlyle Lake in Central Illinois
I've often wondering what engine manufacturers have provided that allows a sailboat to motor sail. Surely the pick up tube in the oil pan allows for this but I've never taken one apart to see it first hand. We run our engine while charging batteries or the frig. Does heeling while running the engine do any harm? What is the max. heel you allow? Our Yanmar 3GM30F requires slightly more than 2 quarts of oil. It wouldn't take much heeling to lay most of this volume to one side of the oil pan. Has anyone explored this?

Jeff
H33.5 1993
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,072
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Max Heel, Motorsailing

I haven't seen that info, Jeff.. But if the pickup got dry for any amount of time, oil pressure would be lost almost instantaneously and you'd hear the alarm buzzer. On the 2 and 3 GMF Yanmars, the pickup is in the aft end of the sump where the normal tilt of the engine makes the oil pool back there.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,184
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
If Memory Serves...

...my Yanmar manual says no more than 15 degrees
 
Jun 5, 1997
659
Coleman scanoe Irwin (ID)
Over the years, we have had to do our fair share of motorsailing; usually when beating against wind and seas. An infamous motorsailing stretch is the Baja bash in reverse, i.e. when sailing back to San Diego from the Sea of Cortez. Of course, we also motor on other points of sail if there is just not enough wind; often leaving the main up (because we are too lazy to take it down), thereby technically "motorsailing" again. In that case, however, there is of course very little heel.

In the case of strong winds on the nose, however, we usually try to use the engine for "power-pointing" (i.e. sailing closer to the wind than would be possible withouth the engine). In other words, we are usually "pinching" a bit, which brings the vessel back on its feet. So, again, there is not more than let's say 10-15 degrees of heel.
I would even go so far as to say that if you are heeling more than the allowed 15 degrees on the course you really want to sail, you probably don't need your engine in the first place.

The exception could be, of course, if you are using the engine to battle a strong contrary current. This is usually only worth doing for a very short period of time, e.g. when going through a strait, channel or reef passage. If that is going take more than an hour you are probably better off to wait for the current to weaken or reverse.

In practice the danger of heeling too strongly while motoring would seem to be a non-issue most of the time.

Have fun!

Flying Dutchman
 

Benny

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Sep 27, 2008
1,149
Hunter 320 Tampa, FL
I rely on the warning lamps and the buzzer to let me know if there is a problem with oil pressure or temperature. So far not a problem when motorsailing.
 

Jeff

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Sep 29, 2008
195
Hunter 33.5 Carlyle Lake in Central Illinois
Thanks for all the imput!

Jeff
H33.5 1993
 
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Not Just Oil Concerns But

Fuel as well. I was motoring back from the Islands with the sails up when we caught some wind. After a few minutes or so the engine stopped and I realized the fuel level along with the angle that the boat was heeling caused the fuel pump to suck in air. This required purging the line from the tank to the injectors prior to entering the slip.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Engine lube oil is distributed two ways throughout the engine. One is via the oil pump and oil galleries which is done under pressure. The other is 'sling' oil that is thrown up onto the cylinder walls to lubricate the pistons, rings and cylinders. In case #1 the engine would have to have an EXCESSIVE amount of heel to prevent the oil pickup tube for the pump to be void of oil for more than a few seconds. In case #2, as long as the crankshaft is rotating it will continue to throw oil at the cylinders. All this assumes the requisite amount of oil exists in the crankcase at the start.
 
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